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COME BACK!Dr Armani 3117 grafts "11 months"


#21

I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to growth.
I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late stages of growth - 12 months onwards.


#22

» I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full
» result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date
» of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to
» growth.
» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards.

If you wanna get to the limit then we could say we shouldn’t judge a HT for full thickness for 24 months.

But 12 months is enough to judge graft survival IMO.

If a graft hasn’t produced a hair shaft at 12 months, not even a thin little shaft that has shed once again already . . . then I wouldn’t bet on it ever producing hair in the future.


#23

» Don’t give up hope, you could be a late bloomer. I had hair grow after 10 -
» 12 month mark. I certainly hope that is the case. Best of luck!

BS BS BS BS BS BS LIE LIE LIE LIE.

What you see is what you get by the 8th month mark and many times by the 6th month mark.

Prove me wrong and show me specific and explicit examples of patients who at 6-8 months had very little or no growth and then in months thereafter “bloomed” out remarkably.


#24

» Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in
» the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new
» growth and thickening to come.
»
» Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure.
» Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You
» still have plenty of time.

BS!

Show the forum examples of patients who at 6-8 months had little or no growth and then in the months following “bloomed” out noticably more than they were at the 6-8 month mark.

If this is the case in many instances then you will have many patients profiles and photos where this is the case.


#25

» I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full
» result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date
» of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to
» growth.
» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards.

“» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards.”

Show them.

We’re all anxiously awaiting.


#26

»
» What you see is what you get by the 8th month mark and many times by the
» 6th month mark.
»

Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100% growth at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+ for most patients to see the final result.


#27

» »
»
» Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100% growth
» at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+ for
» most patients to see the final result.

If that’s the reality then you will have no problem whatsoever showing the forum numerous photo examples of dramatic differences in growth and coverage at the 8-12 month or more point versus the 6th month point.

Surely, since this is the norm, you have plenty of examples stored in your shill folder.


#28

» It does appear the patient has lost more hair behind the transplanted
» area. We only transplanted into zones 1 and 2, but it appears the patient
» is loosing hair in zones 3 and 4 where we did not implant as well.
»

I dont get it,you say that he lost his hair in areas that were not transplanted?What do you imply that coincidentally after the procedure his mpb got so agressive that he lost all his hair in months???

Seems like a big coincidence to me that someone got a procedure and in 8 months he lost all his native hair, also i ve never seen anyone with normal MPB loosing everything in months.What if Woods is right when he mentioned scalp shock and permanent destruction on another thread,can this be because too many grafts were transplanted on a guy with so many native hair?Can it be this scalp shock?Will the hair come back or this is permanent?

What is going on here?


#29

I’m just wondering whether we will get a follow-up post at 12 months or not.


#30

» Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months
» is this situation normal??i am afraid~~

This looks like it could be the result of dense packing, which is IMO a very questionable practice. However, at 8 months out, there is still a chance the hair will grow back.

BTW, shockloss can be permanent, but it is not always the case. I know of a very well-known HT surgeon who gave up dense packing and went to a conservative approach, because of the shockloss being experience by a minority of his patients. There’s less profit in it, but it’s easier for him to sleep at night.


#31

But please keep up your spirits. Sometimes the hair takes longer than average to recover from trauma, and you end up getting it all back.


#32

» » »
» »
» » Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100%
» growth
» » at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+
» for
» » most patients to see the final result.
»
»
» If that’s the reality then you will have no problem whatsoever showing the
» forum numerous photo examples of dramatic differences in growth and
» coverage at the 8-12 month or more point versus the 6th month point.
»
» Surely, since this is the norm, you have plenty of examples stored in your
» shill folder.

I would love to see these photos, too!!!

In all honesty this looks like permanent shockloss and I havent seen one single case that had that little growth at 8 months and a full head of hair at 12 or 15 months.
All the talk “wait till 18 months or even longer” is a joke if you ask me!!


#33

#34

Hi Chan,

How’s it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the doctor didn’t explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in May of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the entire procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to verify that I understood this.

No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read the literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair fell out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and the reps. I’m a little confused by your post as you seem completely surprised by this.

Gabriel


#35

Keepitshorter,

I think you have to remember that hair takes time to grow. Just like with babies, sometimes baby’s don’t grow hair until after 1 year of age (my daughter). It doesn’t mean she won’t, just that her hair has taken longer to grow out. I think the same is true for transplanted hair since it is treated like newly grown hair.

Gabriel


#36

» BTW, shockloss can be permanent, but it is not always the case. I know of
» a very well-known HT surgeon who gave up dense packing and went to a
» conservative approach, because of the shockloss being experience by a
» minority of his patients. There’s less profit in it, but it’s easier for
» him to sleep at night.

Can you name the doctor? thanks


#37

Gabriel - wouldn’t you be mad several months after HT where you wasted thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don’t know exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.

btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?

» Hi Chan,
»
» How’s it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» doctor didn’t explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in May
» of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the entire
» procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» verify that I understood this.
»
» No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read the
» literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair fell
» out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and the
» reps. I’m a little confused by your post as you seem completely surprised
» by this.
»
» Gabriel


#38

» Gabriel - wouldn’t you be mad several months after HT where you wasted
» thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of
» donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don’t know
» exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is
» really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about
» people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.
»
» btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
»
»
»
»
» » Hi Chan,
» »
» » How’s it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» » doctor didn’t explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in
» May
» » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» entire
» » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» » verify that I understood this.
» »
» » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» the
» » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» fell
» » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» the
» » reps. I’m a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» surprised
» » by this.
» »
» » Gabriel

Yeah propably according to gabriel this is the patients fault :expressionless: . I suggest if the doctors explains everything so well to the patients and they dont understand it maybe from now on they can show prospective patients the before and after pictures of chanyouzhe so that they can have visual aid in understanding what might happen.

I see many holes in the doctors office walls from people running away as fast as they can :slight_smile:


#39

Ok, after reading all your posts, I completely understand what you’re going through. It seems that you got a very similar procedure to what I had and at 8 months the hair is definitely still growing. I had my procedure with Armani, and I was worried/anxious at first but the density increased and looked a lot better. You have a long ways to go, and the result is going to be much better. Keep in mind they went from 0 hair in zone 1 to a brand new hairline. I think you’re making some good progress. You might be going through some shockloss, but I think it will come back for you. Wish you the best, you’re in good hands, I wouldn’t worry…


#40

» Ok, after reading all your posts, I completely understand what you’re going
» through. It seems that you got a very similar procedure to what I had and
» at 8 months the hair is definitely still growing. I had my procedure with
» Armani, and I was worried/anxious at first but the density increased and
» looked a lot better. You have a long ways to go, and the result is going to
» be much better. Keep in mind they went from 0 hair in zone 1 to a brand new
» hairline. I think you’re making some good progress. You might be going
» through some shockloss, but I think it will come back for you. Wish you the
» best, you’re in good hands, I wouldn’t worry.

See my results, I posted a good recurring journal…

http://armaniht.blogspot.com