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#1

Coffee…I got the skrill together to try your mad science, but I never saw you come back with the formula! Did the biggies come and buy you out? RU bound and gagged in some factory out in Jersey and need our help? haha… Anyway dude, come help yo brothers out! Even if it has to be thru private message. You had some pretty fab results…that could lead me to get a FUE.


#2

» Coffee…I got the skrill together to try your mad science, but I never saw
» you come back with the formula! Did the biggies come and buy you out? RU
» bound and gagged in some factory out in Jersey and need our help? haha…
» Anyway dude, come help yo brothers out! Even if it has to be thru private
» message. You had some pretty fab results…that could lead me to get a
» FUE.

Still here, things have just been very busy lately. For a month or so, haven’t been spending a lot of time on the regular treatments, but did start a cycle again last week. Previous results are still there, and still planning to continue experimenting with the regular needling followed by LiCl/milk thistle solutions. Still not convinced that this has contributed more than the propecia and minox I’ve been using, but I want to know and will keep investigating to see what the results are over more time. Still using the same EGFR- and WNT+ solutions that I was using before in previous posts. Only thing that I’ve changed recently has been that I’ve acquired a box of dermarollers which have needles of approximately the same dimensions as the modified lancets I was using. This seems to knock the time required for the treatment way way down, making it possible to do in a minute or two, which is nice.


#3

» Still here, things have just been very busy lately. For a month or so,
» haven’t been spending a lot of time on the regular treatments, but did
» start a cycle again last week. Previous results are still there, and still
» planning to continue experimenting with the regular needling followed by
» LiCl/milk thistle solutions. Still not convinced that this has contributed
» more than the propecia and minox I’ve been using, but I want to know and
» will keep investigating to see what the results are over more time. Still
» using the same EGFR- and WNT+ solutions that I was using before in previous
» posts. Only thing that I’ve changed recently has been that I’ve acquired a
» box of dermarollers which have needles of approximately the same dimensions
» as the modified lancets I was using. This seems to knock the time required
» for the treatment way way down, making it possible to do in a minute or
» two, which is nice.

Good to hear from you and I’m glad your results seem to be lasting!

A few questions:

  1. What size (mm) is the dermaroller which most closely approximates the lancets you previously used?

  2. Do you think that it gives a similar effect in terms of wounding as the lancets, now that you have tried it?

  3. I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but do you think you could make some sort of protocol to determine to what extent the results are from needling? It is reasonable to assume the effect of needling would be highly localized to the treated area, whereas the effects of finasteride are systematic and affect the entire scalp. So if you tried to needle only the right side of the scalp - just long enough to determine if needling works - we would be able to determine its effects. As soon as you see a slight difference, just start needling the other half until they are “level” and then take it from there. I don’t think anyone else would notice. Alternatively, a small area could be excluded form the needling protocol instead of half of the scalp. Or you could just needle a small area.

Cheers!


#4

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#5

» 1. What size (mm) is the dermaroller which most closely approximates the
» lancets you previously used?

I measured these with a caliper to see. Both the dermaroller
and the lancets have diameters of 0.0075 inches
(about 0.01905 centimeters). I was cutting the guards on
the lancets so as to expose 0.075 inches (0.1905 centimeters).
The dermaroller has needle length of 0.056 inches
(.015 centimeters). The needles on the dermaroller appear
to be rotationally symmetric, whereas the lancets appear
to be sharpened by holding them against a grinding surface
at a single angle without rotating them. This probably
does change the precise type of wound created somewhat.

Below are images of the lancet without guard, lancet with
original guard, lancet with modified guard, and the end
of the dermaroller.




» 2. Do you think that it gives a similar effect in terms of wounding as the
» lancets, now that you have tried it?

I’ve only recently started to use the dermaroller, so it
will probably be a long time before I can speculate on whether
it has any effect. Can’t really state with any certainty
that the lancets have been responsible for the effects so
far, either.

» 3. I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but do you think you could make
» some sort of protocol to determine to what extent the results are from
» needling? It is reasonable to assume the effect of needling would be highly
» localized to the treated area, whereas the effects of finasteride are
» systematic and affect the entire scalp. So if you tried to needle only the
» right side of the scalp - just long enough to determine if needling works -
» we would be able to determine its effects. As soon as you see a slight
» difference, just start needling the other half until they are “level” and
» then take it from there. I don’t think anyone else would notice.
» Alternatively, a small area could be excluded form the needling protocol
» instead of half of the scalp. Or you could just needle a small area.
»
» Cheers!

I actually did some experiments in smaller areas which seemed
to yield some results before trying the process on a larger
scale. I tried a small area with sanding and a small area
with needling. The sanding result was better, but was also
very visible. The needling result seemed to ultimately
produce maybe 5-8 larger hairs per centimeter when one
treatment of 300 wound channels per centimeter was performed
and then the milk thistle/LiCl solution was used.


#6

» The dermaroller has needle length of 0.056 inches
» (.015 centimeters).

correction-- that should be .15 centimeters


#7

Thank you!


#8

» » The dermaroller has needle length of 0.056 inches
» » (.015 centimeters).
»
» correction-- that should be .15 centimeters

Looking at the photo, the length seems 3 mm not 1.5mm.

Can you give us the link where you bought it?

I have the feeling gthat needling is better than dermaroller.

Cheers.


#9

» Looking at the photo, the length seems 3 mm not 1.5mm.

I don’t agree. It looks like ca 1.5 mm to me. The needles are about 4/64ths of an inch, judging by the tape measure. And 4/64 of an inch = 2.54/16 cm = ca 1.6 mm.


#10

» » Looking at the photo, the length seems 3 mm not 1.5mm.
»
» I don’t agree. It looks like ca 1.5 mm to me. The needles are about
» 4/64ths of an inch, judging by the tape measure. And 4/64 of an inch =
» 2.54/16 cm = ca 1.6 mm.

yes, sorry I didn’t have a metric ruler on hand when taking the photos,
the ruler is actually reading in inches, so the 2.54 cm per inch conversion
applies here, so I think 1.5 mm is correct but the ruler is confusing.


#11

»
» Can you give us the link where you bought it?
»
»

this was acquired from ebay, there appear to be quite a large number of suppliers there currently


#12

» »
» » Can you give us the link where you bought it?
» »
» »
»
» this was acquired from ebay, there appear to be quite a large number of
» suppliers there currently

Can we see you situation?
You hair I mean…
By
Thank you…


#13

»
» Can we see you situation?
» You hair I mean…
» By
» Thank you…

Riccardo123, he has already posted images of his hair. The images are in another thread. With a minimum of effort you’ll find them.