C\'mon brains..let\'s figure this one out

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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I have been on hair loss boards for ever it seems.

Ive seen a lot of promising stuff on paper, that led mostly to complete failure…i could list maybe 20 different things that failed.

As I wrote in the other thread, the Zinc Oxide + ascorbic acid (ZnO)gave me real but small back hair in a few days only of 10 mn soak on the scalp
I wasnt on any other topical or medication.

Hence my theory is that no matter the topical used, there is just too much build up (fibrosis/collagen ?) preventing the otherwise working follicles to sprout and grow and enlarge.

What ZnO did was to reduce buildup a little bit and effect was fast and remarkable

Now if we can put together a list of topicals that can somehow work in the sale way, we may crack this one

Thoughts ?

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» As I wrote in the other thread, the Zinc Oxide + ascorbic acid (ZnO)gave
» me real but small back hair in a few days only of 10 mn soak on the scalp
» I wasnt on any other topical or medication.
»
» Hence my theory is that no matter the topical used, there is just too much
» build up (fibrosis/collagen ?) preventing the otherwise working follicles
» to sprout and grow and enlarge.
»
» What ZnO did was to reduce buildup a little bit and effect was fast and
» remarkable

superfred can you please post the exact receipe, I’d like to try that stuff. As of the collagen, once or twice daily scalp massage may help break it down or reduce it - that’s what I’m doing these days. Did you try a growth stimulant i.e. minoxidil during that period?

I’m also gonna start regular bi-weekly microdermabrasion of my scalp using the neutrogena rejuvenator pads along with folligen and garlic/onion juice. I’m on a break these days so I can freely experiment with new stuff.

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»
» superfred can you please post the exact receipe, I’d like to try that
» stuff. As of the collagen, once or twice daily scalp massage may help break
» it down or reduce it - that’s what I’m doing these days. Did you try a
» growth stimulant i.e. minoxidil during that period?

I dont remember the exact recipe, but u can find it in the waseda forums.
I used Ascorbic acid instead of boric acid at the same time as the ZnO paste on my forehead and temples.

All those small black hairs on my temples and forehead was awazing and i thought i could make them bigger and bigger.
But they remained the same size ( maybe slightly bigger in diameter) after few weeks.
I never used minox or propecia or whatever .

The fact that the small black hairs growing at my teenage hairline ans temples were very encouraging and my morale was boosted at the time

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» The fact that the small black hairs growing at my teenage hairline ans
» temples were very encouraging and my morale was boosted at the time

What NW were you at that time and for how long?

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» » The fact that the small black hairs growing at my teenage hairline ans
» » temples were very encouraging and my morale was boosted at the time
»
» What NW were you at that time and for how long?

NW 2.5 for 10 yrs

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» » » The fact that the small black hairs growing at my teenage hairline ans
» » » temples were very encouraging and my morale was boosted at the time
» »
» » What NW were you at that time and for how long?
»
» NW 2.5 for 10 yrs

so the small hairs that regrew were on your temples? Where can I get that ZnO paste?

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» Hence my theory is that no matter the topical used, there is just too much
» build up (fibrosis/collagen ?) preventing the otherwise working follicles
» to sprout and grow and enlarge.
» Thoughts ?
The perfect way to remove scalp build up (exfolliate the scalp) is to brush your scalp (not your hair) with a boar’s hair bristle brush every day.

I brush my scalp every night with the boar’s hair brush for about 10 minutes and then in the morning for 5 minutes while I am in the shower with my scalp wet. I have a completely clean, hair growth inducing scalp.

A boar’s hair brush costs about $5 to $7 at any pharmacy, Wal Mart or any place that sells health and beauty aids.

The brush provides great scalp stimulation also.

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I already pointed to my persoanl experience with SUN+SEA Water…it has some growth effect and skin rejuvenation, I think it migh be doing something at reducing the collagen. The last mentioned patent, that I was not aware of precedently, pointed to the same fact to my greatest surprise(they are talking about Sun and salt (which is extensively available in sea water), I did talk about this months ago though.

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» I have been on hair loss boards for ever it seems.
»
» Ive seen a lot of promising stuff on paper, that led mostly to complete
» failure…i could list maybe 20 different things that failed.
»
»
» As I wrote in the other thread, the Zinc Oxide + ascorbic acid (ZnO)gave
» me real but small back hair in a few days only of 10 mn soak on the scalp
» I wasnt on any other topical or medication.
»
» Hence my theory is that no matter the topical used, there is just too much
» build up (fibrosis/collagen ?) preventing the otherwise working follicles
» to sprout and grow and enlarge.
»
» What ZnO did was to reduce buildup a little bit and effect was fast and
» remarkable
»
» Now if we can put together a list of topicals that can somehow work in the
» sale way, we may crack this one
»
» Thoughts ?

I’m trying to figure it out as best as I can. I now am on my ultimate regimen, the best stuff I developed after years of experimentation. My progesterone test is ongoing, recently I started using honey in a hope it could reverse fibrosis, added kudzu to estrogenize my body and am looking for a way to get some hair growing topical antibiotic.

Results? I am growing terminal hair in my temples, its very slow, and probably just now is the time when I coult take a photo and show the result. I have a camera, dont have the cable here though, so cant share the photograph.

dont understand me wrong, its still far from useable coverage, its just dark pigmented solitair hair growing there and there. The number of these hair is increasing every week, probably one or two new hair every week. Small litle dark hair is srpouting out.

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» » I have been on hair loss boards for ever it seems.
» »
» » Ive seen a lot of promising stuff on paper, that led mostly to
» complete
» » failure…i could list maybe 20 different things that failed.
» »
» »
» » As I wrote in the other thread, the Zinc Oxide + ascorbic acid
» (ZnO)gave
» » me real but small back hair in a few days only of 10 mn soak on the
» scalp
» » I wasnt on any other topical or medication.
» »
» » Hence my theory is that no matter the topical used, there is just too
» much
» » build up (fibrosis/collagen ?) preventing the otherwise working
» follicles
» » to sprout and grow and enlarge.
» »
» » What ZnO did was to reduce buildup a little bit and effect was fast and
» » remarkable
» »
» » Now if we can put together a list of topicals that can somehow work in
» the
» » sale way, we may crack this one
» »
» » Thoughts ?
»
» I’m trying to figure it out as best as I can. I now am on my ultimate
» regimen, the best stuff I developed after years of experimentation. My
» progesterone test is ongoing, recently I started using honey in a hope it
» could reverse fibrosis, added kudzu to estrogenize my body and am looking
» for a way to get some hair growing topical antibiotic.
»
» Results? I am growing terminal hair in my temples, its very slow, and
» probably just now is the time when I coult take a photo and show the
» result. I have a camera, dont have the cable here though, so cant share the
» photograph.
»
» dont understand me wrong, its still far from useable coverage, its just
» dark pigmented solitair hair growing there and there. The number of these
» hair is increasing every week, probably one or two new hair every week.
» Small litle dark hair is srpouting out.

btw whats interesting is that the hair does not go from vellus to terminal. Previously all my regimen were making vellous hair darker and darker and thicker very slowly. This time the hair just sprouts out, and its immediately terminal.

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Debris - glad to see you are getting to the same as me ( non vellus little black terminal hair.

ZnO + your stuff would surely provide additive effects…

If we can get say a Top 5 of topicals acting in this way ( =battling fibrosis )we could be in for some great results
And if we add growth stimulant on top of this even better…

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» Debris - glad to see you are getting to the same as me ( non vellus little
» black terminal hair.
»
» ZnO + your stuff would surely provide additive effects…
»
» If we can get say a Top 5 of topicals acting in this way ( =battling
» fibrosis )we could be in for some great results
» And if we add growth stimulant on top of this even better…

Its mostly imho about the damn fibrosis. Pure logic says that if vellous hair transplanted to mice, grows to terminal, its either, fibrosis, dht, or immune system thats holding ours in vellous form.

dht - we can rule this one out, even 100% dht reduction does not help.
immune system - dunno perhaps
fibrosis - its imho the major candidate, makes sense, normally the follicle would enlarge and travel back down, but if there is that fibrotic tract there that glued the path together, the follicle just cant make it.