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» » Just a quick question. I noticed a dramatic change of color after using
» the
» » bathroom and taking a piss after using the Maxi Hair Vitamins. I
» remember
» » the same dark yellow color even with Natures Plus Ultra Hair, is this
» » normal? Or does this mean something?
»
» very normal yellow color
»
» if i do not see that color I think the vitamins are not working
»
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Thanks for clearing that up Hangin, Another Question. I went to 2 of the local vitamin stores around here but they did not have the Kal Amino Max minerals. I dont want to order it from online yet, I want to buy something from the store first to try, can these Max-Amino Caps substitute for the Kal Amino Max?

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=CF-1196 Im planning on taking 2 of the Saw Palm with the Pygeum along with the Maxi hair by country life as well as the minerals and then Ill report. If I respond to the Saw palm I should notice it within 2 weeks, and then I might add the nettles and whatever else there is to enhance the results. I have a small bald spot developing at the crown, with overall thinning all over the top, but the front part of my forhead where most people receed, I have thick hair over there. I dont have a receeding hairline. I have a thick back and sides.

Also, the Ultra Hair Plus has STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS OF GINKGO BILOBA LEAF AND SAW PALMETTO BERRY 100MG, Is that enough to partially block DHT?

» » » Just a quick question. I noticed a dramatic change of color after
» using
» » the
» » » bathroom and taking a piss after using the Maxi Hair Vitamins. I
» » remember
» » » the same dark yellow color even with Natures Plus Ultra Hair, is this
» » » normal? Or does this mean something?
» »
» » very normal yellow color
» »
» » if i do not see that color I think the vitamins are not working
» »
» » Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
»
»
» Thanks for clearing that up Hangin, Another Question. I went to 2 of the
» local vitamin stores around here but they did not have the Kal Amino Max
» minerals. I dont want to order it from online yet, I want to buy something
» from the store first to try, can these Max-Amino Caps substitute for the
» Kal Amino Max?
»
» http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=CF-1196
» Im planning on taking 2 of the Saw Palm with the Pygeum along with the
» Maxi hair by country life as well as the minerals and then Ill report. If
» I respond to the Saw palm I should notice it within 2 weeks, and then I
» might add the nettles and whatever else there is to enhance the results. I
» have a small bald spot developing at the crown, with overall thinning all
» over the top, but the front part of my forhead where most people receed, I
» have thick hair over there. I dont have a receeding hairline. I have a
» thick back and sides.
»
» Also, the Ultra Hair Plus has STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS OF GINKGO BILOBA LEAF
» AND SAW PALMETTO BERRY 100MG, Is that enough to partially block DHT?

the Ultra hair is too expensive but it and the Maxi hair have small amounts of saw palmetto i think or some of the dht blockers

the kal amino max is not critical as a brand, it is just a good chelated multi mineral, and I like the price of it a lot, compared to some mega minerals I have seen

a good chelated multi mineral can be purchased under many brand labels, just choose one with if you can 100 percent of the RDA of the standard minerals

» » » » Just a quick question. I noticed a dramatic change of color after
» » using
» » » the
» » » » bathroom and taking a piss after using the Maxi Hair Vitamins. I
» » » remember
» » » » the same dark yellow color even with Natures Plus Ultra Hair, is
» this
» » » » normal? Or does this mean something?
» » »
» » » very normal yellow color
» » »
» » » if i do not see that color I think the vitamins are not working
» » »
» » » Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
» »
» »
» » Thanks for clearing that up Hangin, Another Question. I went to 2 of
» the
» » local vitamin stores around here but they did not have the Kal Amino
» Max
» » minerals. I dont want to order it from online yet, I want to buy
» something
» » from the store first to try, can these Max-Amino Caps substitute for
» the
» » Kal Amino Max?
» »
» » http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=CF-1196
»
» » Im planning on taking 2 of the Saw Palm with the Pygeum along with the
» » Maxi hair by country life as well as the minerals and then Ill report.
» If
» » I respond to the Saw palm I should notice it within 2 weeks, and then I
» » might add the nettles and whatever else there is to enhance the results.
» I
» » have a small bald spot developing at the crown, with overall thinning
» all
» » over the top, but the front part of my forhead where most people receed,
» I
» » have thick hair over there. I dont have a receeding hairline. I have a
» » thick back and sides.
» »
» » Also, the Ultra Hair Plus has STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS OF GINKGO BILOBA
» LEAF
» » AND SAW PALMETTO BERRY 100MG, Is that enough to partially block DHT?
»
» the Ultra hair is too expensive but it and the Maxi hair have small
» amounts of saw palmetto i think or some of the dht blockers
»
» the kal amino max is not critical as a brand, it is just a good chelated
» multi mineral, and I like the price of it a lot, compared to some mega
» minerals I have seen
»
» a good chelated multi mineral can be purchased under many brand labels,
» just choose one with if you can 100 percent of the RDA of the standard
» minerals

Thanks Hangin Once again. A year ago I had a full head of thick hair, and then some stress happened at April 07 which really got me, and I guess from there all my hair slowly fell out and were replaced by thinner ones. The hair on top of my head is all thinned out, I have a very small bald spot which really isnt too noticable because theres still thin hairs on it, but the scalp overall the top is visable. I wonder if I am at an advantage right now getting on your regimine, and hopefully getting these hairs that came back thin, and making them thicker. My hair looks like my dads hair when he was like 35. I think that the stress caused my hairs to age a decade. You stated that you delayed your MPB with vitamins and minerals. Thats good, were you ever able to make hairs that were thinner thicker?

some guys respond to the natural dht blockers and some do not, if you do, you should at least maintain what you have now, and thats a big plus
\
if i had my current regimen when i first started thinning, i would still have 95 percent of my hair

i hope you are one of the guys who responds, would be nice for you

» some guys respond to the natural dht blockers and some do not, if you do,
» you should at least maintain what you have now, and thats a big plus
» \
» if i had my current regimen when i first started thinning, i would still
» have 95 percent of my hair
»
» i hope you are one of the guys who responds, would be nice for you

Hey hangin, It seems as whenever I take the Maxi hair vitamins I constipate, or pass hard stools… Is this common? I remmeber when I used to take the Ultra Hair, I never had a problem. I also started talking the saw palmetto yesterday I only took 1 pill because I wanted to experiement. When I took it, It felt as if it was working. Do you think that it is very necessary to take 2?, and today I took the nettles an a kal amino max mineral… I finally got all the stuff together. is there an ingrediant thats in the Maxi hair which is not in the Ultra hair that maybe causing the constipation.

» » some guys respond to the natural dht blockers and some do not, if you
» do,
» » you should at least maintain what you have now, and thats a big plus
» » \
» » if i had my current regimen when i first started thinning, i would
» still
» » have 95 percent of my hair
» »
» » i hope you are one of the guys who responds, would be nice for you
»
» Hey hangin, It seems as whenever I take the Maxi hair vitamins I
» constipate, or pass hard stools… Is this common? I remmeber when I used
» to take the Ultra Hair, I never had a problem. I also started talking the
» saw palmetto yesterday I only took 1 pill because I wanted to experiement.
» When I took it, It felt as if it was working. Do you think that it is very
» necessary to take 2?, and today I took the nettles an a kal amino max
» mineral… I finally got all the stuff together. is there an ingrediant
» thats in the Maxi hair which is not in the Ultra hair that maybe causing
» the constipation.

could be a filler agent they use, i would go off it for a few days, then go back on it , to see if it stops then starts again, if so, that would probably be what is causing it

strange, I like the ultra hair better but cannot afford the ridiculous price

320mg of the Saw Palmetto is what i take when i have my regimen, I am out of most of it now though

Do you think its more effective to take the 2 pills of saw palemtto together, or 1 in the morning and one at night with meals… Also, is this the kind of nettles you use? http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-Nettle-Herbs

Im going to go buy ultra hair and see if I get constipated again.

» Do you think its more effective to take the 2 pills of saw palemtto
» together, or 1 in the morning and one at night with meals… Also, is this
» the kind of nettles you use?
» http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-Nettle-Herbs
»
» Im going to go buy ultra hair and see if I get constipated again.

hmm I suppose ideally it would be better to split them up, since its more distributed time wise, Im lucky if i remember to take mine once a day, so i take them all at once

Since your an expert in this and have been taking these vitamins and DHT blockers for a long time, you say there is really no side effects with Saw Palmetto? I read somewhere that it increases breast size in men! Any feed back? Also from my previous post, are those the nettles you use? Im trying to stay closest to your regimin… THanks HANGIN.

» Since your an expert in this and have been taking these vitamins and DHT
» blockers for a long time, you say there is really no side effects with Saw
» Palmetto? I read somewhere that it increases breast size in men! Any feed
» back? Also from my previous post, are those the nettles you use? Im
» trying to stay closest to your regimin… THanks HANGIN.

I heard one guy say he got gyno whatever from the natural dht blockers, not sure if it was SP, but guys report here all the time on if they have side effects, and I can only remember one guy saying that

it is more common for guys to say, either this regimen stabilized me, or that natural dht blockers have no effect on them, which is unfortunate, wish they worked on everyone

Please remember all i know is this regimen works on me, thats it

whether it will work on anyone else is pure chance, however I think it has a decent past history on the board, at least of stabilizing guys fallout . If you can just maintain what you have thats a huge victory, at least in my book

regrowth is nice sure, but its just a bonus

I see, Its been 2 days since I started the saw palmetto… You said you noticed your results after two weeks right? It gradually slowed down the shedding? Because the shedding seems still about the same maybe a little less.

» I see, Its been 2 days since I started the saw palmetto… You said you
» noticed your results after two weeks right? It gradually slowed down the
» shedding? Because the shedding seems still about the same maybe a little
» less.

as i said there are no guarantees, if I could guarantee that guys who tried my regimen would experience the same results I did, I would be a millionaire

lets keep our fingers crossed that the shedding at least slows down
also keep an eye on your salt intake, try not to each high sodium foods, processed meats cheese, soy sauce etc, that really increases shedding
also watch your sugar intake and animal protein, intake, both can cause problems with your hair

This was posted at another forum, and I thought it might be educational for those who rely on supplements to meet their nutritional needs:

"Synthetic vitamins are not good for you. You may have taken multi-vitamins for years figuring that they wouldn’t hurt you. Unfortunately, research shows that taking them is actually worse than not taking anything if they are synthetic.

In 1941 research done by Dr. Agnes Faye Morgan at the University of California found that animals fed synthetic vitamins had toxic reactions or died more quickly of degenerative diseases compared to those fed whole foods. She stated that the enrichment of processed foods with synthetic vitamins may “precipitate conditions worse than the original deficiency.”

A study of 29,000 Finnish smokers proved that synthetic vitamins increased death rates significantly enough to stop a 10-year study prematurely. The risk of cancer increased by 16% and there were more heart attacks, more strokes, and an 8% higher increase in the overall death rate.

A Harvard study of 22,000 physicians reported no health benefits from synthetic vitamins. Other studies report toxicity and serious side effects. In one case, synthetic beta carotene blocked antioxidant activity and anti-cancer activity of 50 antioxidants in the diet.

In a Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center study, 18,000 American men and women at risk of lung cancer took a either a placebo or supplements of synthetic vitamin A. The researchers lead by Dr. Gilbert Omenn stopped the study in January 1996 because the group on supplements had a 28% higher incidence of lung cancer.

Most of the multi-vitamins and many of the individual vitamins on the market are made with synthetic vitamins. The profit margin is huge compared to whole food vitamins. But as you can see, not only do they not work, but they actually harm your health. Fortunately, there are a few multi-vitamins that do not contain synthetic vitamins. An excellent one is Life Essence, created by the man who virtually started the whole food vitamin field. Every nutrient in it is derived from whole foods. Making it a safe, healthful, and surprisingly affordable multiple vitamin."

» This was posted at another forum, and I thought it might be educational for
» those who rely on supplements to meet their nutritional needs:
»
» “Synthetic vitamins are not good for you. You may have taken
» multi-vitamins for years figuring that they wouldn’t hurt you.
» Unfortunately, research shows that taking them is actually worse than not
» taking anything if they are synthetic.
»
» In 1941 research done by Dr. Agnes Faye Morgan at the University of
» California found that animals fed synthetic vitamins had toxic reactions
» or died more quickly of degenerative diseases compared to those fed whole
» foods. She stated that the enrichment of processed foods with synthetic
» vitamins may “precipitate conditions worse than the original deficiency.”
»
»
» A study of 29,000 Finnish smokers proved that synthetic vitamins increased
» death rates significantly enough to stop a 10-year study prematurely. The
» risk of cancer increased by 16% and there were more heart attacks, more
» strokes, and an 8% higher increase in the overall death rate.
»
» A Harvard study of 22,000 physicians reported no health benefits from
» synthetic vitamins. Other studies report toxicity and serious side
» effects. In one case, synthetic beta carotene blocked antioxidant activity
» and anti-cancer activity of 50 antioxidants in the diet.
»
» In a Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center study, 18,000 American men and
» women at risk of lung cancer took a either a placebo or supplements of
» synthetic vitamin A. The researchers lead by Dr. Gilbert Omenn stopped the
» study in January 1996 because the group on supplements had a 28% higher
» incidence of lung cancer.
»
» Most of the multi-vitamins and many of the individual vitamins on the
» market are made with synthetic vitamins. The profit margin is huge
» compared to whole food vitamins. But as you can see, not only do they not
» work, but they actually harm your health. Fortunately, there are a few
» multi-vitamins that do not contain synthetic vitamins. An excellent one is
» Life Essence, created by the man who virtually started the whole food
» vitamin field. Every nutrient in it is derived from whole foods. Making it
» a safe, healthful, and surprisingly affordable multiple vitamin.”

I would bet in 5 minutes I could find equal amount of studies saying vitamins reduce cancer risk, and since u say most vitamins are synthetic, this implies that synthetic vitamins reduce cancer risk

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/080803vits.html

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-03/29/content_318811.htm

From your study:

"Pamela Mason, a spokesperson for the Health Supplements Information Service (HSIS), was interested in the study. “On the face of it, it looks like quite a good study,” she explained to BUPA. “It was well-planned, they used a lot of subjects and it took place over several years.”

Pamela Mason says that supplements can be beneficial in certain situations, but she believes that “in the first instance, people should always try to get the nutrients through their diet.”

:wink:

» From your study:
»
» "Pamela Mason, a spokesperson for the Health Supplements Information
» Service (HSIS), was interested in the study. “On the face of it, it looks
» like quite a good study,” she explained to BUPA. “It was well-planned,
» they used a lot of subjects and it took place over several years.”
»
» Pamela Mason says that supplements can be beneficial in certain
» situations, but she believes that “in the first instance, people should
» always try to get the nutrients through their diet.”
»
» :wink:
that has always been true throughout history

but , for example, take Biotin, critical to hair health, and for protein synthesis, all of the GREAT hair vitamins contain 2000mcg OF Biotin, 666 percent of the RDA,
Tell me what you could eat to get 2000mcg of Biotin, its possible, but who makes all their own food,

Food Serving Biotin (mcg)

Liver, cooked 3 ounces* 27(mcg
Egg, cooked 1 large 25(mcg
Yeast, bakers active 1 packet (7 grams) 14(mcg
Wheat bran, crude 1 ounce 14(mcg
Bread, whole wheat 1 slice 6(mcg
Cheese, camembert 1 ounce 6(mcg
Avocado 1 whole 6(mcg
Salmon, cooked 3 ounces* 4(mcg
Cauliflower, raw 1 cup 4(mcg
Chicken, cooked 3 ounces* 3(mcg
Cheese, cheddar 1 ounce 2(mcg
Pork, cooked 3 ounces* 2(mcg
Raspberries 1 cup 2(mcg
Artichoke, cooked 1 medium 2(mcg

So as you see one egg contains 25mcg of Biotin, you would have to eat 80 eggs to get 2000mcg of Biotin.

Biotin is needed by many organs in the body, and as you should well know, the body will nourish the internal organs brain, skin etc before it will nourish the hair, The hair is last in line, and considered unimportant by the body, so only if the body has a high excess of Biotin, will the hair get any. It is not a coincidence that they put such a high amount of Biotin in Maxi Hair and Ultra hair. They would not do it , if it had not been proven to have good results with hair growth.

i do not know about you, but I dont plan to eat 80 eggs per day

When I was not on DHT blockers back in the early 90s, I experimented with every diet and vitamin I could get my hands on, I ate very little sugar salt red meat, took loads of vitamins. My hair did great with the vitamins, staved off my balding IF I TOOK ULTRA HAIR. The only difference in this and the individual vitamins I was taking was the 2000mcg of timed Released Biotin. That is it. By process of elimination I found this to be true. No matter what individual vitamins I took, even if i copied the Ultra Hair, step by step, by buying B 100 timeed release, right on down the line, My hair still would not stop the high fallout.

I could not however find timed released Biotin, at that time, individually. When I took the Ultra Hair, and a chelated mineral separately My fallout stopped. So I know that Biotin makes a HUGE difference in your hair health. Now this is noticeable especially in the early stages of fallout. Eventually the DHT will overcome any positive effects of vitamins, if you do not attack the DHT somehow, and that is what happened to me, my hair started falling out in gobs in 1999, even with the Ultra Hair.

thats when i added DHT blockers and that seemed to be the missing link

but try getting all the vitamins in the super hair vitamins from your diet
good luck with that

»» 2000mcg of Biotin

If you’d be so kind as to direct me to a study that states biotin is dose dependent in relation to hair loss.

Biotin deficiency is rare in humans. Its RDA can be easily obtained through a healthy diet.

Just wondering…

Those Procerin and Provillus hair treatments have like 1500 mg of saw palmetto in them. DO you think they believe that is the amount necessary to cure hairloss? Im only taking about 160mg aday… Whenever I take 1 of the saw palmetto with pygeum I can feel the effect it has on my body. SO I havent taken 2 yet. Im using the Natures Ultra hair now also which has 100MG of Saw P in it as well.

» Just wondering…
»
» Those Procerin and Provillus hair treatments have like 1500 mg of saw
» palmetto in them. DO you think they believe that is the amount necessary
» to cure hairloss? Im only taking about 160mg aday… Whenever I take 1 of
» the saw palmetto with pygeum I can feel the effect it has on my body. SO I
» havent taken 2 yet. Im using the Natures Ultra hair now also which has
» 100MG of Saw P in it as well.

I have seen studies saying more than 320mg of SP is not beneficial thats the amount i try to take.

that is not enough in the Ultra hair buy standardized saw Palmetto,

» »» 2000mcg of Biotin
»
» If you’d be so kind as to direct me to a study that states biotin is dose
» dependent in relation to hair loss.
»
» Biotin deficiency is rare in humans. Its RDA can be easily obtained
» through a healthy diet.

Just because your body is not deficient in Biotin does not mean your hair is getting a sufficient supply
what is determined as a sufficent amount? it certainly has nothing to do with receiving enough for your hair

the amount to be sufficient I would imagine is enough to keep your body from exhibiting biotin deficiency symptoms, so that is for critical purposes of Biotin, not hair growth

You could be getting enough for your body to function well, but your hair is getting none, since it is last in line