Just to clarify, I was never told something would “launch” by the end of this year. I was told that hopefully there will be “news” by the end of the year regarding the great work and progress that was transpiring with his team. That could mean anything. All I know is there is optimism. Clearly, everything else at this point is going to be speculation. But at least Dr. Armani is working toward a solution.
This is certainly intriguing.
My initial reaction was that he was working on a variant of Grecos’s PRP protocol - this would certainly seem within the means of a wealthy individual / small company, and there is scope for improvement there - I remember Dr Jones (or was it Feller?) saying that while PRP was beneficial it also contained “anti-growth factors” as well as growth factors, and being able to remove these would enhance the therapy manyfold.
However, the description of the research does certainly seem to echo the approach of ICX…
I think it may be a simplification to classify Armani as “just a surgeon”. Anyone with an interest in the topic can have a lot of knowledge on the cellular / chemical nature of hair loss. Just look at some of the posters here! I’m sure an MD/hair specialist who wants to have a publishing history in academia etc and be seen as a leader in the field knows much more about this stuff than we do. However, he clearly doesn’t have time to do this research. I’d like to know just who he has employed to run and work in this new company. Similarly, if it is DP-based it’s gonna have all the usual regulatory problems that we are so familiar with.
But still promising. If he has nothing and this is just a marketing ploy to tempt people into transplants, it WILL backfire on him horribly. Look at Gho - he was / is a leading researcher in the field but many still think of him as a charlatan as he used the promise of “being first in the queue for HM” as a way of selling his HT work. If Armani is doing the same and he has nothing in the pipeline it will eventually bite him hard in the ass. And Armani doesn’t need to risk his rep in that way as he has a long line of patients waiting for HT work with him anyway, based on years of good work, advertising and expensive marketing. Why risk that on setting up such a public HM Company when he could just tell patients Follica is a year away and then not bear any public responsibility for HM’s non-arrival a few years down the line? Armani’s reputation is one of his most valuable assets - he’d be a fool to risk it on some dumb-ass “HM is coming” marketing ploy.
That last point, I think, may be a good sign.
Also, Armani does seem to like jumping on new things and does have the wherewithal to improve them.
Admittedly, Woods developed FUE and had been doing it for over a decade before Armani ever did it, but Armani is one of only what? A dozen surgeons globally who offer it? And it has to be said, it was Armani who pushed FUE beyond the 600 grafts a day barrier AND has done a lot to dispel the “FUE isn’t as consistent as strip” debate. I’ve been on this site since 2000 and I got sick of waiting to see “Wow!” FUE results - I’m no Armani cheerleader but I have to admit it was Armani (and especially his sister) who changed this in the last year or two.
Maybe he saw a flaw in the ICX protocol and is now hoping to just tweak it a bit?
But then, even an organisation that has money swilling around in it like Armani’s presumably does can’t afford a Phase 3 trial and so would need finacial backing. If this is related to ICX why wouldn’t they just miss out the Armani middle man and go straight for the bucks?
Maybe Pats can chime in?
One thing that makes me doubtful is that the contact address for Genomics is the same as his HT offices,not a separate research facility full of scientists beavering away. This could just be a glossy way of advertising work he does when he has a spare minute - hardly awe-inspiring stuff…
Some one should give them a call and see what they have to say.
» Some one should give them a call and see what they have to say.
Guys get real…we have researchers, facilities.companies dedicated in this and you think that a surgeon will bring the cure?We have seen the same with Gho, Bazaan and i dont know who else. Stick to the players…
» http://www.alviarmanihairtransplants.com/about-us/hair-loss-research.aspx
»
» http://www.alviarmani-genomics.com/default.aspx
»
» Is this confirmation that Armani is working at a cellular level and
» welcoming for investors?
I want to be excited for this news but I cannot. Proof is important.
But still promising. If he has nothing and this is just a marketing ploy to tempt people into transplants, it WILL backfire on him horribly. Look at Gho - he was / is a leading researcher in the field but many still think of him as a charlatan as he used the promise of “being first in the queue for HM” as a way of selling his HT work. If Armani is doing the same and he has nothing in the pipeline it will eventually bite him hard in the ass. And Armani doesn’t need to risk his rep in that way as he has a long line of patients waiting for HT work with him anyway, based on years of good work, advertising and expensive marketing. Why risk that on setting up such a public HM Company when he could just tell patients Follica is a year away and then not bear any public responsibility for HM’s non-arrival a few years down the line? Armani’s reputation is one of his most valuable assets - he’d be a fool to risk it on some dumb-ass “HM is coming” marketing ploy.
That last point, I think, may be a good sign.
Armani’s operation has been favoring short-term gains over long term ones for years. Donor zone estimates, aggressive HTs, marketing to young patients, longstanding failures to back up claims, etc.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Armani himself really does think HM will be here within a few years. And he may be right about that. (But how much weight does his opinion actually carry about some other research entity’s HM project? Probably not much more than yours & mine IMHO.)
And if that was the case, then he would probably not see any harm in encouraging his patients belief that HM is coming. If the HM researchers won’t make the kind of clear-cut claims that Armani needs to sell aggressive HTs, then Dr Armani might wanna just whip up a little HM evidence of his own. Like declaring that he’s involved in creating HM, and thus in a position estimate timelines.
Easily solved - Can someone from Armani’s offices please let us know what is happening,when,etc.
More details really wanted.When it comes to hair transplants you are all on the ball then,so how about now,as well!
Pat or anyone
» But still promising. If he has nothing and this is just a
» marketing ploy to tempt people into transplants, it WILL backfire on him
» horribly. Look at Gho - he was / is a leading researcher in the field but
» many still think of him as a charlatan as he used the promise of “being
» first in the queue for HM” as a way of selling his HT work. If Armani is
» doing the same and he has nothing in the pipeline it will eventually bite
» him hard in the ass. And Armani doesn’t need to risk his rep in that way as
» he has a long line of patients waiting for HT work with him anyway, based
» on years of good work, advertising and expensive marketing. Why risk that
» on setting up such a public HM Company when he could just tell patients
» Follica is a year away and then not bear any public responsibility for HM’s
» non-arrival a few years down the line? Armani’s reputation is one of his
» most valuable assets - he’d be a fool to risk it on some dumb-ass “HM is
» coming” marketing ploy.
»
» That last point, I think, may be a good sign.
»
»
» Armani’s operation has been favoring short-term gains over long term ones
» for years. Donor zone estimates, aggressive HTs, marketing to young
» patients, longstanding failures to back up claims, etc.
»
»
»
»
» I wouldn’t be surprised if Armani himself really does think HM will be
» here within a few years. And he may be right about that. (But how much
» weight does his opinion actually carry about some other research entity’s
» HM project? Probably not much more than yours & mine IMHO.)
»
» And if that was the case, then he would probably not see any harm in
» encouraging his patients belief that HM is coming. If the HM researchers
» won’t make the kind of clear-cut claims that Armani needs to sell
» aggressive HTs, then Dr Armani might wanna just whip up a little HM
» evidence of his own. Like declaring that he’s involved in creating HM, and
» thus in a position estimate timelines.
Agree 100%. Does he really think his little operation is going to beat Follica/Aderans/Histogen to the punch? I doubt it.
» Also, Armani does seem to like jumping on new things and does have the
» wherewithal to improve them.
»
» Admittedly, Woods developed FUE and had been doing it for over a decade
» before Armani ever did it, but Armani is one of only what? A dozen
» surgeons globally who offer it? And it has to be said, it was Armani who
» pushed FUE beyond the 600 grafts a day barrier AND has done a lot to dispel
» the “FUE isn’t as consistent as strip” debate. I’ve been on this site
» since 2000 and I got sick of waiting to see “Wow!” FUE results - I’m no
» Armani cheerleader but I have to admit it was Armani (and especially his
» sister) who changed this in the last year or two.
»
This is a great point Dastardly. Dr. Armani does like to push the field as he did with his current Fue megasessions. 2-3 years ago everyone in the industry was saying you could not do FUE megasessions and get great results that compared to strip, now today we are producing fantastic FUE results on a daily basis. Other doctors are trying to catch up to this.
As far as this being a ploy to lure people into having a transplany, that is simply untrue and I think anyone who has had an in person consultation with Dr. Armani will attest to this.
When an in person consultation is performed expectations of the patient as well as strategy for maximizing donor hair is discussed. Not just for the current procedure but for future sessions.
If a patient has thin donor or their expectations are just too high for what we can extract then this is discussed, and believe it or not some patients are turned away because of limited donor. Long term planning is very important.
» » Also, Armani does seem to like jumping on new things and does have the
» » wherewithal to improve them.
» »
» » Admittedly, Woods developed FUE and had been doing it for over a decade
» » before Armani ever did it, but Armani is one of only what? A dozen
» » surgeons globally who offer it? And it has to be said, it was Armani
» who
» » pushed FUE beyond the 600 grafts a day barrier AND has done a lot to
» dispel
» » the “FUE isn’t as consistent as strip” debate. I’ve been on this site
» » since 2000 and I got sick of waiting to see “Wow!” FUE results - I’m no
» » Armani cheerleader but I have to admit it was Armani (and especially
» his
» » sister) who changed this in the last year or two.
» »
»
» This is a great point Dastardly. Dr. Armani does like to push the field as
» he did with his current Fue megasessions. 2-3 years ago everyone in the
» industry was saying you could not do FUE megasessions and get great results
» that compared to strip, now today we are producing fantastic FUE results on
» a daily basis. Other doctors are trying to catch up to this.
»
» As far as this being a ploy to lure people into having a transplany, that
» is simply untrue and I think anyone who has had an in person consultation
» with Dr. Armani will attest to this.
»
» When an in person consultation is performed expectations of the patient as
» well as strategy for maximizing donor hair is discussed. Not just for the
» current procedure but for future sessions.
»
» If a patient has thin donor or their expectations are just too high for
» what we can extract then this is discussed, and believe it or not some
» patients are turned away because of limited donor. Long term planning is
» very important.
I cant agree more with this - Who else has been able to push the boundaries in this field & be able to pull it off with a high level of consistency.
The fact that HM is possibly so near to us is something we should be excited about & not criticise someone who wants it to be there & is investing his own money & time into it…
This is an old story.
-
Armani claims something outlandish that nobody else in the HT industry can do.
-
We ask for proof. We never get it.
-
When we discuss this chain of events, Armani’s cheerleaders complain that he’s getting bashed.
The fact that Alvi Armani is a forward thinking company and their doctors are continuously driving the industry forward should be viewed in a positive light. Dr. Armani and his staff have raised the bar in the industry which needs to be noticed and respected.
In no way do I believe that this is a marketing tactic by the Armani clinic to attract prospective patients to have a HT procedure with them. During my initial consultation with the clinic, Dr. Armani was extremely forthright in his approach specific to my individual condition. He completely addressed the potential of future hair loss and the importance of the donor area for possible HT’s down the road. I was not oversold at all in terms of the number of grafts I received for the hair loss I had experienced at that time.
Alvi Armani continues to put out the best results in the industry using the most leading edge technology which should not be overlooked.
» The fact that Alvi Armani is a forward thinking company and their doctors
» are continuously driving the industry forward should be viewed in a
» positive light. Dr. Armani and his staff have raised the bar in the
» industry which needs to be noticed and respected.
»
» In no way do I believe that this is a marketing tactic by the Armani
» clinic to attract prospective patients to have a HT procedure with them.
» During my initial consultation with the clinic, Dr. Armani was extremely
» forthright in his approach specific to my individual condition. He
» completely addressed the potential of future hair loss and the importance
» of the donor area for possible HT’s down the road. I was not oversold at
» all in terms of the number of grafts I received for the hair loss I had
» experienced at that time.
»
» Alvi Armani continues to put out the best results in the industry using
» the most leading edge technology which should not be overlooked.
I fully agree with this statement. I don’t think the discussion which is a positive and hopeful topic should be turned into personal attack on Dr. Armani or speculation regarding his intentions. The Armani clinic has proven that it is a world leader in hair restoration surgery. Dr. Armani is a highly respected and educated man who I highly doubt is going to risk his reputation on a marketing ploy as is being suggested. If the Armani clinic is being a bit tight lipped about this that does not mean it is a conspiracy. The fact that he stated there maybe “news” soon means just that…they don’t need to give away all the details just yet I am sure, that does not mean there isn’t anything to tell! I hope the research is fruitful and I for one, will not be surprised if it is. I also agree with the above comments regarding the consultation. Mine was exactly the same, not once did I feel pressured or feel anything was being oversold. He was quite blunt in assessing my condition and open and honest in our approach to improve my situation. Let’s be positive people and give the research the benefit of the doubt.
» This is an old story.
»
»
»
» 1. Armani claims something outlandish that nobody else in the HT industry
» can do.
»
» 2. We ask for proof. We never get it.
»
» 3. When we discuss this chain of events, Armani’s cheerleaders complain
» that he’s getting bashed.
Why should someone who is putting thier own time & money into something that will benefit everyone who is on these forums get bashed by people when they dont even know what is going on behind the scenes.
I know Dr Armani personally & I will tell you that he is the most caring person & cares more about his patients & his work than he does his money - He has practically spent his life devoted to this field & attempting to push the boundaries further is something that should be respected & welcomed in my opinoin.
If push came to shove & Dr Armani was able to offer what we are all waiting for then everyone would be praising him but im sure even then there would be someone out there who is able to shoot him down for something.
With regards for proof - what do you expect when its not 100% yet??
I will not debate this with Armani shills.
With the rate at which phenomenal medical advancement is emerging, one would have to be truly naive to believe that genetic and cellular manipulation would not be an avenue that doctors would pursue in curing hair loss. and to answer your question, it is both genetic and cellular. The two are interrelated. genetic manipulation ultimately affects cellular replication. Dense transplants are the best answer to hair loss RIGHT NOW, and genetic and cellular manipulation is the answer of the future. The possibilities of this solution are endless and being skeptical will not stop its progress. not every thing in this world is as cynical as some people think it is.
» He wants people to believe that donor hair is not an issue, and therefore
» they should get really dense transplants. Not hard to see the motivation
» here.
» Genomics? Wouldn’t that be genetic, and not cellular?
» » The fact that Alvi Armani is a forward thinking company and their
» doctors
» » are continuously driving the industry forward should be viewed in a
» » positive light. Dr. Armani and his staff have raised the bar in the
» » industry which needs to be noticed and respected.
» »
» » In no way do I believe that this is a marketing tactic by the Armani
» » clinic to attract prospective patients to have a HT procedure with them.
»
» » During my initial consultation with the clinic, Dr. Armani was
» extremely
» » forthright in his approach specific to my individual condition. He
» » completely addressed the potential of future hair loss and the
» importance
» » of the donor area for possible HT’s down the road. I was not oversold
» at
» » all in terms of the number of grafts I received for the hair loss I had
» » experienced at that time.
» »
» » Alvi Armani continues to put out the best results in the industry using
» » the most leading edge technology which should not be overlooked.
»
» I fully agree with this statement. I don’t think the discussion which is a
» positive and hopeful topic should be turned into personal attack on Dr.
» Armani or speculation regarding his intentions. The Armani clinic has
» proven that it is a world leader in hair restoration surgery. Dr. Armani is
» a highly respected and educated man who I highly doubt is going to risk his
» reputation on a marketing ploy as is being suggested. If the Armani clinic
» is being a bit tight lipped about this that does not mean it is a
» conspiracy. The fact that he stated there maybe “news” soon means just
» that…they don’t need to give away all the details just yet I am sure,
» that does not mean there isn’t anything to tell! I hope the research is
» fruitful and I for one, will not be surprised if it is. I also agree with
» the above comments regarding the consultation. Mine was exactly the same,
» not once did I feel pressured or feel anything was being oversold. He was
» quite blunt in assessing my condition and open and honest in our approach
» to improve my situation. Let’s be positive people and give the research the
» benefit of the doubt.
I hope you guys were compensated nicely for these posts.
I can’t see how anyone believes this is anything other than a marketing scheme.
Armani is a surgeon, not a researcher. He’s got nothing. There’s absolutely no way he’s going to beat Aderans, Histogen, or Follica to the punch, and he knows it. It’s marketing plain and simple.
If follica, aderans, and histogen decide to go through the fda and armani offers the samething overseas without fda, then wouldn’t armani beat them to the punch? he has an abundance of patients and marketing coverage , i can’t rationalize how he’d just do this for a marketing plow. That may be a far stretch. I can understand when people say he doesn’t have anything at all because the website is very vague, but it may be possible that he’s opening doors and pushing the limits and looking for investors. it’s good to take all possibilities into consideration, but he’d crash his own vehicle pretty hard if this were a marketing ploy.
Whatever it is, I hope SOMEONE comes up with SOMETHING. And the more people we have working on it the better for us.
» » » The fact that Alvi Armani is a forward thinking company and their
» » doctors
» » » are continuously driving the industry forward should be viewed in a
» » » positive light. Dr. Armani and his staff have raised the bar in the
» » » industry which needs to be noticed and respected.
» » »
» » » In no way do I believe that this is a marketing tactic by the Armani
» » » clinic to attract prospective patients to have a HT procedure with
» them.
» »
» » » During my initial consultation with the clinic, Dr. Armani was
» » extremely
» » » forthright in his approach specific to my individual condition. He
» » » completely addressed the potential of future hair loss and the
» » importance
» » » of the donor area for possible HT’s down the road. I was not
» oversold
» » at
» » » all in terms of the number of grafts I received for the hair loss I
» had
» » » experienced at that time.
» » »
» » » Alvi Armani continues to put out the best results in the industry
» using
» » » the most leading edge technology which should not be overlooked.
» »
» » I fully agree with this statement. I don’t think the discussion which is
» a
» » positive and hopeful topic should be turned into personal attack on Dr.
» » Armani or speculation regarding his intentions. The Armani clinic has
» » proven that it is a world leader in hair restoration surgery. Dr. Armani
» is
» » a highly respected and educated man who I highly doubt is going to risk
» his
» » reputation on a marketing ploy as is being suggested. If the Armani
» clinic
» » is being a bit tight lipped about this that does not mean it is a
» » conspiracy. The fact that he stated there maybe “news” soon means just
» » that…they don’t need to give away all the details just yet I am sure,
» » that does not mean there isn’t anything to tell! I hope the research is
» » fruitful and I for one, will not be surprised if it is. I also agree
» with
» » the above comments regarding the consultation. Mine was exactly the
» same,
» » not once did I feel pressured or feel anything was being oversold. He
» was
» » quite blunt in assessing my condition and open and honest in our
» approach
» » to improve my situation. Let’s be positive people and give the research
» the
» » benefit of the doubt.
»
» I hope you guys were compensated nicely for these posts.
» I can’t see how anyone believes this is anything other than a marketing
» scheme.
» Armani is a surgeon, not a researcher. He’s got nothing. There’s
» absolutely no way he’s going to beat Aderans, Histogen, or Follica to the
» punch, and he knows it. It’s marketing plain and simple.