Armani HT - Nov 2007 - 2425 FUE - Stingray

Hair Transplant
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Nicely done cal. But I don’t think anyone would argu that he did not get poor yield.

» I think a little demonstration might be in order here.
»
» Let’s take a look at a field of 2222 little dots. (It’s not 2400, but
» it’s a close number that I very conveniently found with a quick google
» image search.) Each dot could be a graft. When I show this image twice,
» the grand total number of dots adds up to a whole HT done entirely with
» 2-hair grafts.
»
» You could visualize these two clumps of dots as the two sides of his
» temples that were filled:
»
»
»
» Now, if I counted right, this is a decent estimate for the total number of
» individual hairs that Stingray should have gotten for his 2400 grafts.
»
» This is actually being pretty conservative, considering that one of the
» basic strengths of FUE is ability to cherry pick 3-5 hair grafts for better
» density.
»
»
»
» Q. At 13 months grown out, does this look like what Stingray got?
»
»

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»
» A. Hell no.
»
»
» There is no room for variances in opinion on the work IMHO. It’s just a
» poor yield, pure and simple.
»
»
»
»
» (Stingray’s had the balls to air his disappointing work for the benefit of
» us all, and unfortunately he gets rewarded by guys like me making posts
» that basically rub his nose in it to reinforce the point. I’m sorry about
» that, Stingray.)

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fipancy - brainwashing? I’m in total agreement with the fact the man had poor yield. What I don’t agree about is why some dks like you blow it out of proportion. Like little btches adding fule to the fire. Like gossiping queer little boys taking advantage of the situation.

If you go in for a hair transplant to ANY CLINIC IN THIS WORLD and expect a 100% satisfying outcome THEN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND. Obviously you’re out of your mind because a) you don’t know how to talk and b)you 're the idiot with highly great expectations when going in for a cosmetic surgery. you da man:ok:

» » Stingray, I don’t want to say anything to make you feel anymore uneasy
» than
» » you already are. Your results are NOT as bad as a few girls here are
» » telling you. And they are not as “perfectly fine” as some say it is
» » either.
» »
» » You had a low yield which is NOT surpring by ANY clinic. If cosmetic
» » surgeries were all perfect we’d all be online for enhancements!
» »
» » Let’s move forward, thanks!
»
» your flipancy is amazing and shows a total lack of understanding or
» brainwashing. Who are you to determine SR’s mind in this, he has been very
» subjectibe throughout, and who are the few girls? those that disagree with
» your opinion, somone who has never had a transplant? I would put a wager
» that SR did not post waiting on your wisdom, maybe he posted simply to see
» the response from the clinic, he got it for sure if that was the reason.
» You say it is NOT surprising from any clinic, so when you have your op you
» expect this result? and you are still going through with it? move over and
» let the man have his say because the spin you “try” to play is obvious;

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Boru u’ve had my lollypop in ure mouth for the longest time now. Unless you’re wearing a skirt I strongly suggest you stop. Everywhere I go you’re shadowing me.

The only cheerleader here is you for “Dr. Arvind”. LOL. How many rupees are you getting paid? I see your accusations still exist and I think of you nothing more than a pathetic dude sitting home on disability looking to start something with someone on the forums for the only action in your life.:clap:

Nice to see all the bashers come out of the closet :slight_smile:

» » Stingray, I don’t want to say anything to make you feel anymore uneasy
» than
» » you already are. Your results are NOT as bad as a few girls here are
» » telling you. And they are not as “perfectly fine” as some say it is
» » either.
» »
» » You had a low yield which is NOT surpring by ANY clinic. If cosmetic
» » surgeries were all perfect we’d all be online for enhancements!
» »
» » Let’s move forward, thanks!
»
»
»
» I see the fake concern and sympathy is now being dispensed with !!
»
»
» Stingray, I too would like to congratulate you for posting your poor
» results and concerns in relation to the armani clinics methods.
» The ‘cheerleaders’ here are starting to get visibly agitated but i urge
» you to stay the course.
»
» Have you booked a date with bhr ?

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I’d like to light a torch for the Linch Mob. Who are they?

You’ll see. Just watch the replies here :wink:

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Stingray thank you for sharing your experience and for your honesty its a great help to all of us.Thank you for your opinions and insights to this whole thing

MJ2003 i dont care who you are and what u do. but i suggest you stop trying to destroy stingrays thread with multiple posts and fights.we are not stupid.

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Insults can’t be thrown just one way, can they greek? Why don’t you do yourelf a favour and go through the thread one post at a time and see for yourself who got things off topic and were throwing insults. Or are bashers immune to unsults? Either way, get your facts straight because I’ve only corresponded directly to Stingray, and anyone else that jumped in with “insults” started your so called “fight”. Not me. Before you claim you’re not stupid, I too strongly suggest you get your facts straight.

» Stingray thank you for sharing your experience and for your honesty its a
» great help to all of us.Thank you for your opinions and insights to this
» whole thing
»
» MJ2003 i dont care who you are and what u do. but i suggest you stop
» trying to destroy stingrays thread with multiple posts and fights.we are
» not stupid.

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» Mr Lahey
»
» You registered on this site on the 26th of March 2009 and this is your
» first ever post. You have not mentioned whether you are a patient of Dr
» Armani’s or a prospective patient or a patient of another doctor.
»
» It strikes me as odd that as a newbie to the site that you would post the
» above as your very first post especially when I have provided such balanced
» and clear pictures and I have consulted with other HT doctors who have
» described my result as “a poor transplant”.
»
» It strikes me as highly suspicious.
»
» Finally, I do not have to admit that Dr Armani is the best hands down. In
» my opinion the following Drs (to name a few) are producing more consistent
» results online - Drs Hasson & Wong, Dr Feller, Dr Bisanga, Dr Ron Shapiro
» and Dr Rahal.
»
» Stingray

Stingray- I am newly registered to the site, but I am not new to Hairsite. I’ve been here since the late 90’s and have posted in the past(before Hairsite would have one register). Anyhow- I don’t work with Armani, nor have had an HT. I’m here searching for the right Dr- as I’m sure most of us here are. I’ve seen/visited websites of Hasson/Wong, Feller, Bisanga, I must be honest, I don’t think I’ve seen Shapiro’s or Rahal’s pix/website though. I wish you the best, and must say, maybe like me- at one point you thought Armani was the best. I’m sorry it didn’t go as expected, again I wish the best to you, and like you- I’m just here looking for the right doctor. Sincerely, Mr.Lahey

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Stingray,
Sorry about the growth man and good luck down the road. Hope the next works better for you. I do think it was nice of the clinic to offer a touch up, but I can’t blame you for staying away. If you don’t mind me asking what did this procedure cost monetarily?

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Phew

For those that made supportive comments, thank you very much they are much appreciated.

For those who might be upset that this thread is lingering then all I can say in tough. I have no interest in just letting the thread disappear. I want as many potential patients of Dr Armani to know that not all of his patients get acceptable results. I want them to know that they are not offered their money back if they are not happy. I want them to know that they could lose precious donor hair. I have had many guys contact me privately and it feels really good to be able to offer them insight and give advice. So I will continue to contribute to this thread for as long as anyone is interested. I might even post my 18 month final result. Ha!

To answer a few other questions:

I haven’t booked another procedure at the moment due in the most part to financial reasons.

This procedure cost $16,000. And a return flight to LA from London.

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» » Stingray, all the doctors you have mentioned are excellent. There is not
» » one doctor in that group that can claim they have got it right 100% of
» the
» » time. I am sure you read the thread over at HTN where unfortunate HT
» was
» » not satisfied with the HT he received from Dr. Feller. Dr. Feller
» responded
» » that it is unfortunate, but sometimes sub par results do happen. I was
» » fortunate to have a great result. I can tell you that I would have been
» » devastated had I got a sub par result. I think you are very upset, and
» you
» » should be. Stingray, if you are willing to have another HT to correct
» your
» » situation, don’t shut the door on Armani. I am willing to bet that your
» » results do not sit well with him, and that he will do everything he can
» to
» » make it right for you. I truly hope that whatever you decide to do,
» that
» » you are happy at the end of it.
»
» Thank you. I understand what you are saying and do accept that all
» doctors have had poor results. Nobody can bat 100%. However, since posting
» my results I have been contacted by many other unhappy patients.
»
» If my results don’t sit well with Dr Armani I suggest that he refund my
» money and the money of all the other unhappy patients. I am not naive
» enough to expect that to happen but I do hope that by me and others
» complaining that he examines his technique and adapts in order to provide
» more consistent results.

Oh you’re gonna be fine, the area is so small, it’s totally fixable. Post here if you have any luck getting a refund, I may consider posting my pics too.

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» Oh you’re gonna be fine, the area is so small, it’s totally fixable.
» Post here if you have any luck getting a refund, I may consider posting my
» pics too.

You also went to Armani???

Good luck, SG already said Armani would not refund him the money.

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» Phew
»
» For those that made supportive comments, thank you very much they are much
» appreciated.
»
» For those who might be upset that this thread is lingering then all I can
» say in tough. I have no interest in just letting the thread disappear. I
» want as many potential patients of Dr Armani to know that not all of his
» patients get acceptable results. I want them to know that they are not
» offered their money back if they are not happy. I want them to know that
» they could lose precious donor hair. I have had many guys contact me
» privately and it feels really good to be able to offer them insight and
» give advice. So I will continue to contribute to this thread for as long
» as anyone is interested. I might even post my 18 month final result. Ha!
»
» To answer a few other questions:
»
» I haven’t booked another procedure at the moment due in the most part to
» financial reasons.
»
» This procedure cost $16,000. And a return flight to LA from London.

haha now you are just being vindictive :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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» fipancy - brainwashing? I’m in total agreement with the fact the man had
» poor yield. What I don’t agree about is why some dks like you blow it out
» of proportion. Like little btches adding fule to the fire. Like gossiping
» queer little boys taking advantage of the situation.
»
» If you go in for a hair transplant to ANY CLINIC IN THIS WORLD and expect
» a 100% satisfying outcome THEN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND. Obviously
» you’re out of your mind because a) you don’t know how to talk and b)you 're
» the idiot with highly great expectations when going in for a cosmetic
» surgery. you da man:ok:

mj2003,
Why such hostility? Your blood pressure must be going through the roof.:angry:
Its not good for anybody to get so worked up like that. It could have serious implications on your health. I’m very worried.

Perhaps a stint off the forum would do you good. I’d miss you of course, but it’s your health that is of paramount importance.

your friend,
boru

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This is exciting for the Armani detractors because Armani’s been asking for it for a while.

Armani’s clinic has basically been pushing an image of infallibility since they switched to FUE. No graft density is too difficult, no donor supply is too small, no patient is too young, no hairline is too aggressive, etc.

Amongst which, there’s been a real effort to present the idea that no Armani FUE results ever really fail. They’ll admit to a few “touchups” instead of admitting that a patient has ever walked out of an Armani FUE session with a failure to grow.

Well, now it’s proven with a public example that’s not going away. Armani is indeed fallible. A FUE session has flat-out failed and a “touchup” isn’t gonna fix it.

Armani’s reps can say, “Well so what, no clinic is perfect!”

That’s all well and good, but your clinic is ONLY saying that now that you’ve been nailed to the wall with a failure. If Stingray’s case wasn’t here you wouldn’t be admitting that such things EVER happen.

THERE IS A WORD TO DESCRIBE THIS: “FRAUD.”

Get the f*ck over it and take your lumps, cheerleaders. There’s still plenty of glowing pics of thrilled Armani patients all over the net.

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»
» haha now you are just being vindictive :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

No, I am not seeking revenge. I knew the risks and I took them and at the end of the day it is my fault for making a poor decision.

I just feel that it is in everyone who is considering a HT’s interest for my results to be public knowledge.

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» what do you find hard to tell, the temples were remade with 2400 grafts
» and he had poor growth, Poor design> docs fault he did it and agreed it,
» expectations? that must have been talked about and if the doc didn’t agree
» then don’t do it.Why would he think he would get the same result with 1/3
» of the grafts you said, no sense in that, don’t think so, try another tact
» because if you believe in what you say never have a ht, really worrying
» some of the remarks being made and the thought people will think it is
» real.

Can’t you read? Were you there at the consultation? Unless you were at the consultation, you don’t know any better than I do as to what transpired that made him decide to do 2400 grafts and not 3500 grafts. He is a norwood 3, there is no way for a norwood 3 to get those high density hairlines using only 2400 grafts, so my question is how did they come up with 2400 and not 3500 for the procedure? Think before you touch the keyboard next time so you don’t waste my time again.

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16grand? that gotta hurt! how long it took you before you decided to spend 16 grand on a hair transplant?

» Phew
»
» For those that made supportive comments, thank you very much they are much
» appreciated.
»
» For those who might be upset that this thread is lingering then all I can
» say in tough. I have no interest in just letting the thread disappear. I
» want as many potential patients of Dr Armani to know that not all of his
» patients get acceptable results. I want them to know that they are not
» offered their money back if they are not happy. I want them to know that
» they could lose precious donor hair. I have had many guys contact me
» privately and it feels really good to be able to offer them insight and
» give advice. So I will continue to contribute to this thread for as long
» as anyone is interested. I might even post my 18 month final result. Ha!
»
» To answer a few other questions:
»
» I haven’t booked another procedure at the moment due in the most part to
» financial reasons.
»
» This procedure cost $16,000. And a return flight to LA from London.

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»
» Can’t you read? Were you there at the consultation? Unless you were at the
» consultation, you don’t know any better than I do as to what transpired
» that made him decide to do 2400 grafts and not 3500 grafts. He is a
» norwood 3, there is no way for a norwood 3 to get those high density
» hairlines using only 2400 grafts, so my question is how did they come up
» with 2400 and not 3500 for the procedure? Think before you touch the
» keyboard next time so you don’t waste my time again.

Some of you guys get very defensive when you are questioned. Yes john, thanks I can read

john, you said

"The problem IMO may have to do with poor design and expectations. You are probably conditioned to see all the amazing hairlines that were done using 3500 or more grafts, if that’s the look you were aiming for, Armani’s staff should have told you at consultation that you simply cannot get those 3500 plus hairlines using only 2400 grafts, as simple as that. I would have designed the hairline differently with a 2400 grafts budget, maybe one of those “less is more” high hairline look. "

In your opinion, I was not there at the consultation and neither where you, but you are allowed an opinion and me to. Poor design, well you put your self in the hands of the expert for that, the doc, that is one reason for making your decision. When it comes to that so if it was poor design whose fault is that, the patient or the doc? who agreed to perform the operation with the design, the doc, so what this has any relevance to I am not sure; unless you are blaming the doc for poor design and placement of the grafts?

Why do you assume he is “conditioned” to thinking he would get the same result as someone having 1100 more grafts that he did? 1100 differnce, a 1/3 more and Stingray, a logical sensible guy he has come across with this just thought the difference wouldn’t matter…please, it’s an insult to the mans intelligence.

You also assume Stingray was on a budget, why do you think that? he never mentioned anything about budgets from what I can see, just that he has 2400 grafts. So what if he was or was not on a budget, totally irrelevant, well 16K irrelevant, results speak and this was is loud. No wish to get it a slagging match, this is not about anyone else but Stingray,

Stingray, good luck to you for the future.

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Stingray for the amount of grafts your results really aren’t that bad. Was your yield a little on the low side? Yes. Is it a disaster? Not at all. Any clinic including the “top” clinics have a less then spectaucalur result out there, no clinic is perfect. They offered you a touch up to make right on the procedure right? Why would they give you a refund, you signed the paperwork and consent form that said this could happen correct??"

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» Stingray for the amount of grafts your results really aren’t that bad. Was
» your yield a little on the low side? Yes. Is it a disaster? Not at all. Any
» clinic including the “top” clinics have a less then spectaucalur result out
» there, no clinic is perfect. They offered you a touch up to make right on
» the procedure right? Why would they give you a refund, you signed the
» paperwork and consent form that said this could happen correct??"
I am sorry, but this response is transparent and very sad. Please do not spit in someone’s face and tell them it is raining.