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Armani HT - Nov 2007 - 2425 FUE - Stingray


#21

With the two poor results that have recently come out from Armani on this forum I dont see how anyone could realistically roll the dice with these guys. Some results are great, many are not.

Peter25, It’s upsetting to learn that any of our patients are not happy. In the end we do everything possible to make all of our patients satisfied. Stingray was offered a free procedure to thicken his result and help him reach his goals. He chose to go with a different doctor and I wish him the best.

There is not a clinic around that gets it right 100% of the time. Unfortunately, there are factors we just can’t control. Every clinic has unhappy patients, FUE or Strip.

Does this mean that FUE ‘is not reliable’? I don’t think so. You mentione many are not happy Peter25 but that is not true. The vast majority of our patients are happy. FUE is going very well with a high success rate. There are legions of happy Armani patients posting their FUE results on this forum.

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#22

Yes pats, but currently on this forum we have stingray with poor results, aceinhibiter77 with poor results and you youself with poor results.

These stats don’t lie.
There is a serious problem with your clinics approach to fue

With the two poor results that have recently come out from Armani on
» this forum I dont see how anyone could realistically roll the dice with
» these guys. Some results are great, many are not.

»
»
» Peter25, It’s upsetting to learn that any of our patients are not happy.
» In the end we do everything possible to make all of our patients satisfied.
» Stingray was offered a free procedure to thicken his result and help him
» reach his goals. He chose to go with a different doctor and I wish him the
» best.
»
» There is not a clinic around that gets it right 100% of the time.
» Unfortunately, there are factors we just can’t control. Every clinic has
» unhappy patients, FUE or Strip.
»
» Does this mean that FUE ‘is not reliable’? I don’t think so. You mentione
» many are not happy Peter25 but that is not true. The vast majority of our
» patients are happy. FUE is going very well with a high success rate. There
» are legions of happy Armani patients posting their FUE results on this
» forum.
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-47790-page-1-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48099-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48436-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-46859-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-44717-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-44212-page-5-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
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» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-42876-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
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» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-40762-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
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» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-41011-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
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» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48858-page-1-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html


#23

» Yes pats, but currently on this forum we have stingray with poor results,
» aceinhibiter77 with poor results and you youself with poor results.
»
» These stats don’t lie.
» There is a serious problem with your clinics approach to fue
»
»
Incorrect Boru, my result is just fine, every month my crown gets thicker and thicker. Aceinhibiter is at 9.5 months, any top doctor will tell you it takes 14-18 months for the final result to be in. He has plenty of time for new growth and thickening.


#24

boru who do u think has the best fue approach?


#25

» boru who do u think has the best fue approach

Hard to narrow down to one clinic but i would be very comfortable with bisanga, arvind or feller.


#26

» Incorrect Boru, my result is just fine, every month my crown gets thicker
» and thicker. Aceinhibiter is at 9.5 months, any top doctor will tell you it
» takes 14-18 months for the final result to be in. He has plenty of time for
» new growth and thickening.

Whatever you say pats;-) Still can’t get around to posting that pic eh?


#27

» » boru who do u think has the best fue approach
»
» Hard to narrow down to one clinic but i would be very comfortable with
» bisanga, arvind or feller.

feller is hardly a fue doctor, he doesnt even support fue himself, he just tells people he does fue so that he can sell people strip jobs, you are not worreid having your donor messed up by feller like he did with another patient?


#28

» » » boru who do u think has the best fue approach
» »
» » Hard to narrow down to one clinic but i would be very comfortable with
» » bisanga, arvind or feller.
»
» feller is hardly a fue doctor, he doesnt even support fue himself, he just
» tells people he does fue so that he can sell people strip jobs, you are
» not worreid having your donor messed up by feller like he did with another
» patient?

Yes he is an fue doctor and a very competent and conscientious one at that from what i’ve seen accross the forums.
But hey, i don’t cheerlead or aggressively defend any overpaid cosmetic surgeon and i’m not gonna start here.
If you want to argue your dislike of feller then i’m afraid you’ve picked the wrong person to debate.
You don’t like him, good for you. Thats your opinion and i respect that.


#29

» » » » boru who do u think has the best fue approach
» » »
» » » Hard to narrow down to one clinic but i would be very comfortable
» with
» » » bisanga, arvind or feller.
» »
» » feller is hardly a fue doctor, he doesnt even support fue himself, he
» just
» » tells people he does fue so that he can sell people strip jobs, you
» are
» » not worreid having your donor messed up by feller like he did with
» another
» » patient?
»
» Yes he is an fue doctor and a very competent and conscientious one at that
» from what i’ve seen accross the forums.
» But hey, i don’t cheerlead or aggressively defend any overpaid cosmetic
» surgeon and i’m not gonna start here.
» If you want to argue your dislike of feller then i’m afraid you’ve picked
» the wrong person to debate.
» You don’t like him, good for you. Thats your opinion and i respect that.

He is right, Feller is not well known for fue, I don’t know who gave you the idea that he is a very competent fue doctor, check the facts before you open your mouth next time :slight_smile: Feller very rarely does fue and when he does, he does very small sessions. Even he admits that his fue yield is poor compared to strip.

Bisanga doesn’t have a lot of fue results either considering how long he has been doing it, most of the ones he posted are around or below 2000 grafts.


#30

UnfortunateHT is a Feller patient that just posted some pretty sub par results at HTN. Does that make Dr. Feller a bad doctor? Should some forum members rake him over the coals and BS about all his unhappy patients. The answer is no, but unfortunatly there are people like boru on these forums that have double standards. BS like this does not help stingray in anyway. Stingrays situation needs to be fixed to where he is 100% happy, and thats the bottom line.


#31

read my posts again. I’m not defending feller and have no interest in discussing him. I couldn’t care less about him nor what anybody says about him on the forums.

But as you rightfully said mmaguy this thread is about stingray and the very poor growth his armani fue procedure yielded. Lets get back on track

UnfortunateHT is a Feller patient that just posted some pretty sub par
» results at HTN. Does that make Dr. Feller a bad doctor? Should some forum
» members rake him over the coals and BS about all his unhappy patients. The
» answer is no, but unfortunatly there are people like boru on these forums
» that have double standards. BS like this does not help stingray in anyway.
» Stingrays situation needs to be fixed to where he is 100% happy, and thats
» the bottom line.


#32

Pats, I appreciate that you have a job to do and I understand that it puts you in a difficult position but I also know that you were just a patient before being employed by Armani and you seemed like a decent guy. I know a number of unhappy Armani FUE patients. Some I knew from before and some have got in touch since I have posted my honest results. And I know that you are aware of them too as I have seen emails from you to them. I could probably dig them out from my inbox somewhere.

It may be true that the majority of patients are happy but Dr Armani has unhappy patients too. I am one of them.

Pats, if you received 30-40% growth from a doctor would you accept a free 2nd procedure from him? What would be different about procedure number 2? My donor hair is precious and I feel I have already squandered 1300 grafts that I will never get back.

A HT is a risk and I accepted that before my procedure but I also think that it is important that I share my results with the forums so that other patients are aware of those risks - both financially, to your appearance and to your limited donor supply.

SR

» With the two poor results that have recently come out from Armani on
» this forum I dont see how anyone could realistically roll the dice with
» these guys. Some results are great, many are not.

»
»
» Peter25, It’s upsetting to learn that any of our patients are not happy.
» In the end we do everything possible to make all of our patients satisfied.
» Stingray was offered a free procedure to thicken his result and help him
» reach his goals. He chose to go with a different doctor and I wish him the
» best.
»
» There is not a clinic around that gets it right 100% of the time.
» Unfortunately, there are factors we just can’t control. Every clinic has
» unhappy patients, FUE or Strip.
»
» Does this mean that FUE ‘is not reliable’? I don’t think so. You mentione
» many are not happy Peter25 but that is not true. The vast majority of our
» patients are happy. FUE is going very well with a high success rate. There
» are legions of happy Armani patients posting their FUE results on this
» forum.
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-47790-page-1-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48099-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48436-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-46859-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-44717-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-44212-page-5-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-42876-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-40762-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-41011-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-48858-page-1-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html


#33

»
» Pats, if you received 30-40% growth from a doctor would you accept a free
» 2nd procedure from him? What would be different about procedure number 2?
» My donor hair is precious and I feel I have already squandered 1300 grafts
» that I will never get back.
»
» A HT is a risk and I accepted that before my procedure but I also think
» that it is important that I share my results with the forums so that other
» patients are aware of those risks - both financially, to your appearance
» and to your limited donor supply.
»
» SR
»

Yes I would, especially Dr. Armani. I would because I know there is not a clinic around that ‘gets its right 100% of the time’. I would because of Dr. Armani’s reputation.

Unfortunately, this happens. There are factors we can’t control. If unfortunately it does, then we will take care of you.

Not just at our clinic but EVERY clinic. It’s how the clinic deals with it that’s important guys: do they offer free grafts to get the patient where he wants to be or is the patient blown off?

In this case, Stingray was offered a free procedure to thicken his result. I was working with him to schedule but he changed his mind and decided to explore another doctor. This also happens from time to time. Patients have come to us after having an initial procedure with another clinic and vice versa.

I do wish you all the best Stingray.


#34

Dr. Woods is right:

“It is a luxury item, and a matter of choice. And if you choose to do it , do it properly, or dont do it at all , and you will be better off”,


#35

» »
» » Pats, if you received 30-40% growth from a doctor would you accept a
» free
» » 2nd procedure from him? What would be different about procedure number
» 2?
» » My donor hair is precious and I feel I have already squandered 1300
» grafts
» » that I will never get back.
» »
» » A HT is a risk and I accepted that before my procedure but I also think
» » that it is important that I share my results with the forums so that
» other
» » patients are aware of those risks - both financially, to your
» appearance
» » and to your limited donor supply.
» »
» » SR
» »
»
» Yes I would, especially Dr. Armani. I would because I know there is not a
» clinic around that ‘gets its right 100% of the time’. I would because of
» Dr. Armani’s reputation.
»
» Unfortunately, this happens. There are factors we can’t control. If
» unfortunately it does, then we will take care of you.
»
» Not just at our clinic but EVERY clinic. It’s how the clinic deals with it
» that’s important guys: do they offer free grafts to get the patient where
» he wants to be or is the patient blown off?
»
» In this case, Stingray was offered a free procedure to thicken his result.
» I was working with him to schedule but he changed his mind and decided to
» explore another doctor. This also happens from time to time. Patients have
» come to us after having an initial procedure with another clinic and vice
» versa.
»
» I do wish you all the best Stingray.

I would like to believe you Pats. In fact, I did believe you. That is why I went with Armani in the first place. However, I would have to be insane to risk a further 60% of my grafts by repeating the procedure. I don’t see how the factors that you claim are beyond Dr Armani’s control would now be in his control. I have spoken to too many unhappy Armani patients to believe I was a one off.

Well, your best wishes are a great comfort. However, I will be taking my 40% growth hairline and white dot scarring to another doctor to repair.


#36

I am sorry to chime in but what are the reasons for poor growth and also how to prevent that from happening?


#37

»
» I would like to believe you Pats. In fact, I did believe you. That is
» why I went with Armani in the first place. However, I would have to be
» insane to risk a further 60% of my grafts by repeating the procedure. I
» don’t see how the factors that you claim are beyond Dr Armani’s control
» would now be in his control. I have spoken to too many unhappy Armani
» patients to believe I was a one off.
»
» Well, your best wishes are a great comfort. However, I will be taking my
» 40% growth hairline and white dot scarring to another doctor to repair.

It is obvious SR isn’t going back and who can blame him, it’s his choice. The offer of free grafts is ok but why not recompence him for the poor growth if you really care, you’re a big company and it’s not going to hurt your bottom line and may help the way you are seen, because it doesn’t look good now.


#38

This is why we need hair multiplication or a cell based treatment, it doesn’t matter which doctor you go to, there will always be a risk with hair transplant,the moment you walk into a hair transplant clinic, you should tell yourself that this is not a sure thing. Everyting is driven by demand in this world, if everybody stops getting hair transplant entirely perhaps the doctors will have no choice but to take hair multiplication research seriously and come up with something effective and risk free.

Consider yourself lucky, your hair doesn’t look bad at all,it’s not like you were left with massive scarring that ruin your life forever.


#39

» This is why we need hair multiplication or a cell based treatment, it
» doesn’t matter which doctor you go to, there will always be a risk with
» hair transplant,the moment you walk into a hair transplant clinic, you
» should tell yourself that this is not a sure thing. Everyting is driven by
» demand in this world, if everybody stops getting hair transplant entirely
» perhaps the doctors will have no choice but to take hair multiplication
» research seriously and come up with something effective and risk free.
»
»
» Consider yourself lucky, your hair doesn’t look bad at all,it’s not like
» you were left with massive scarring that ruin your life forever.

exactly, it’s not like the same thing could not or won’t happen at another clinic. name one of these “top docs” that has 100% growth in every single patient. i’ll gladly give anyone my next mortgage payment if they can do that with proof, lol.

i hope it all works out though.


#40

I love to bash Armani for lying as much as anyone.

But I agree - it has to be remembered that ALL clinics have their bad results. There is not a top HT clinic on earth that you could not find a few bad results from if you had all their cases to peruse through.

Armani’s FUE megasessions have been under intense scrutiny for their regrowth rates. It now appears that there are multiple “failures” by any stretch of opinion about results.

I don’t think this is grounds for totally heaving Armani’s rep out with the trash yet. But these cases need to remain public information. If his reps can cherry-pick a few stellar FUE results to publish, then the dissatisfied patients have the right to do likewise.