ARI trials and hair direction

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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» » » That does indeed look like direction problems. (I also doubt that the
» » » follicle direction would correct gradually.)
» » »
»
» If true, wouldn’t that make it more likely that what they are getting is
» new follicles, as opposed to the rejuvenation of old follicles?

yes, definitely.
My previous opinion was that it was rejuvenation, but I had not noticed the bad direction of hairs in this photo.

If it is neogenesis, this is good news and bad news:
-The good: they can create new follicles, and thus, in principle, the procedure would be compoundable. Limitless hair supply.
-The bad: cosmetic quality difficult to control.

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Let’s not forget that we don’t know how much control they might already have over the direction problem.

We know they’ve gotten some regrowth at bad angles. We know they have paid attention to injection angles. But we don’t know if the directional problems were still occurring on the same hairs that were injected at careful angles.

(ARI trialists, can you give us any feedback on this?)

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cal, I don’t understand your message.
Do you mean that the injections produced well-oriented hairs “on-site” plus some other “collateral hairs” that grew off the injection sites, and these “collateral hairs” grew with bad directions?

Makes sense.

For example, 10 injections produce 10 well-oriented hairs at the injection points, plus some other badly-oriented hairs somewhere else.

» Let’s not forget that we don’t know how much control they might already
» have over the direction problem.
»
»
» We know they’ve gotten some regrowth at bad angles. We know they have
» paid attention to injection angles. But we don’t know if the directional
» problems were still occurring on the same hairs that were
» injected at careful angles.
»
»
» (ARI trialists, can you give us any feedback on this?)

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That is not what I’m saying. (Although it’s an interesting thought too.)

What I am saying is that we only know they were dealing with direction problems at some point in the past. We don’t know what kind of injections actually produced the mis-directed follicles in the pictures. What if the odd follicle angles were the result of randomly-angled injections?

We know that ARI is currently taking injection angles into account with at least some of the trialists. But we don’t know if these carefully-angled injections are producing the same directional problems or not. For all we know, the carefully-chosen injection angles might already be taking care of the direction problems pictured.

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Ari can just say “fine go back to using Propecia and Minoxidil then” if a person is not interested in their tech (provided it ends up working of course) because of the hair direction issue.

They’ll still probably have more customers than they can handle.

Hair gel may be “unmanly”, but actually there’s a lot of non-gel styling products for guys these days and 10 to 1 most women prefer the scruffy/surfer hair look over the balding look.

Besides if they can actually get these hairs to grow in high quantity/quality, eventually I would imagine they’ll iron out the directional issue as well even if that takes a few more years after the initial product launch.

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And here we are again

Girls prefere bla bla bla

Yeah thats why iam seeing a lot of bald guys with girls and a lot of hairy guys without a girl

» Ari can just say “fine go back to using Propecia and Minoxidil then” if a
» person is not interested in their tech (provided it ends up working of
» course) because of the hair direction issue.
»
» They’ll still probably have more customers than they can handle.
»
» Hair gel may be “unmanly”, but actually there’s a lot of non-gel styling
» products for guys these days and 10 to 1 most women prefer the
» scruffy/surfer hair look over the balding look.
»
» Besides if they can actually get these hairs to grow in high
» quantity/quality, eventually I would imagine they’ll iron out the
» directional issue as well even if that takes a few more years after the
» initial product launch.

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» Let’s not forget that we don’t know how much control they might already
» have over the direction problem.
»
»
» We know they’ve gotten some regrowth at bad angles. We know they have
» paid attention to injection angles. But we don’t know if the directional
» problems were still occurring on the same hairs that were
» injected at careful angles.
»
»
» (ARI trialists, can you give us any feedback on this?)

remember i’m just a trialist, not a research specialist. my guess is that their concern was more based on how far into the scalp they make the injectons. i think that any injections made on an angle is just part of the experiment process. if you would do everything exactly the same you don’t have any differences for comparison. keep in mind, i’m just the guinea pig not the people conducting the research.

for those who ask about looking with two mirrors, i just looked. given the choice of thin hair vs no hair. guess i prefer the thin hair look. my reference point is the tatoos. how visible are they with the hair adjacent to them. without the contrast i probably would be less distracted by the dark marks. it’s one thing to having thinning hair, walking around with 5 tatoos exposed to the public eye is not my way to draw arttention to myself. so i wear a cap all the time. luckily my job allows me to do that.

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Do you have any comments on the hair follicle growth direction that you are seeing on your head? Is it all pretty uniform or is it totally random like in the pics above?

Your original native hairs should be pretty uniform in direction so I would think any random looking growth would have to be the product of ARI injections.

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yes, cal, thats also possible. Lets hope it is as you say.

» That is not what I’m saying. (Although it’s an interesting thought too.)
»
»
»
» What I am saying is that we only know they were dealing with direction
» problems at some point in the past. We don’t know what kind of injections
» actually produced the mis-directed follicles in the pictures. What if the
» odd follicle angles were the result of randomly-angled injections?
»
» We know that ARI is currently taking injection angles into account with at
» least some of the trialists. But we don’t know if these carefully-angled
» injections are producing the same directional problems or not. For all we
» know, the carefully-chosen injection angles might already be taking care of
» the direction problems pictured.

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Thomas, do you see differences between the 5 test areas?
the tatoos are not permanent, are they?

» » Let’s not forget that we don’t know how much control they might already
» » have over the direction problem.
» »
» »
» » We know they’ve gotten some regrowth at bad angles. We know they have
» » paid attention to injection angles. But we don’t know if the
» directional
» » problems were still occurring on the same hairs that were
» » injected at careful angles.
» »
» »
» » (ARI trialists, can you give us any feedback on this?)
»
» remember i’m just a trialist, not a research specialist. my guess is that
» their concern was more based on how far into the scalp they make the
» injectons. i think that any injections made on an angle is just part of the
» experiment process. if you would do everything exactly the same you don’t
» have any differences for comparison. keep in mind, i’m just the guinea pig
» not the people conducting the research.
»
» for those who ask about looking with two mirrors, i just looked. given the
» choice of thin hair vs no hair. guess i prefer the thin hair look. my
» reference point is the tatoos. how visible are they with the hair adjacent
» to them. without the contrast i probably would be less distracted by the
» dark marks. it’s one thing to having thinning hair, walking around with 5
» tatoos exposed to the public eye is not my way to draw arttention to
» myself. so i wear a cap all the time. luckily my job allows me to do that.

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» Do you have any comments on the hair follicle growth direction that you are
» seeing on your head? Is it all pretty uniform or is it totally random like
» in the pics above?
»
» Your original native hairs should be pretty uniform in direction so I
» would think any random looking growth would have to be the product of ARI
» injections.

the tatoos are placed in a (u) or (v) shape formation. the difference is slight, the the 2 on the right seem slighty fuller. the overall hair growth seems uniform and natural looking

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» Thomas, do you see differences between the 5 test areas?
» the tatoos are not permanent, are they?
the tatoos are permanment, but ari will pay for their removal
» » » Let’s not forget that we don’t know how much control they might
» already
» » » have over the direction problem.
» » »
» » »
» » » We know they’ve gotten some regrowth at bad angles. We know they
» have
» » » paid attention to injection angles. But we don’t know if the
» » directional
» » » problems were still occurring on the same hairs that
» were
» » » injected at careful angles.
» » »
» » »
» » » (ARI trialists, can you give us any feedback on this?)
» »
» » remember i’m just a trialist, not a research specialist. my guess is
» that
» » their concern was more based on how far into the scalp they make the
» » injectons. i think that any injections made on an angle is just part of
» the
» » experiment process. if you would do everything exactly the same you
» don’t
» » have any differences for comparison. keep in mind, i’m just the guinea
» pig
» » not the people conducting the research.
» »
» » for those who ask about looking with two mirrors, i just looked. given
» the
» » choice of thin hair vs no hair. guess i prefer the thin hair look. my
» » reference point is the tatoos. how visible are they with the hair
» adjacent
» » to them. without the contrast i probably would be less distracted by
» the
» » dark marks. it’s one thing to having thinning hair, walking around with
» 5
» » tatoos exposed to the public eye is not my way to draw arttention to
» » myself. so i wear a cap all the time. luckily my job allows me to do
» that.

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hey Thomas,

is your new Ari thin hair getting thicker gradually? Since the day the follicles started to grow new hair till today,is there any significant change regarding the thickness?
i know you can not measure the thickness especially if it slight. if it does happen though i am sure that you can feel it.

thanks again for sharing.
we really appreciate it

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Thanks for the replies, Thomas.

When you say that the new hair is “thin”, do you mean density is low, or do you mean the hairs are of small caliber?

» » Do you have any comments on the hair follicle growth direction that you
» are
» » seeing on your head? Is it all pretty uniform or is it totally random
» like
» » in the pics above?
» »
» » Your original native hairs should be pretty uniform in direction so I
» » would think any random looking growth would have to be the product of
» ARI
» » injections.
»
» the tatoos are placed in a (u) or (v) shape formation. the difference is
» slight, the the 2 on the right seem slighty fuller. the overall hair growth
» seems uniform and natural looking

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» Thanks for the replies, Thomas.
»
» When you say that the new hair is “thin”, do you mean density is low, or
» do you mean the hairs are of small caliber?

» after about 9 months now, the hair in the area of the injections looks normal in direction,the thickness of the individual hairs looks normal, the hair grows at a normal pace. so at this point it’s a matter of density. originally when the injections were done, my concern would be that the hair would grow too dense and look like clusters of hair plugs. each injections has many cells (not sure if it’s hundreds,thousands or even millions placed in each individual injection). dense or sparse, my concern is how long will the new hair stay and regenerate for the future.
»
» » » Do you have any comments on the hair follicle growth direction that
» you
» » are
» » » seeing on your head? Is it all pretty uniform or is it totally
» random
» » like
» » » in the pics above?
» » »
» » » Your original native hairs should be pretty uniform in direction so I
» » » would think any random looking growth would have to be the product of
» » ARI
» » » injections.
» »
» » the tatoos are placed in a (u) or (v) shape formation. the difference
» is
» » slight, the the 2 on the right seem slighty fuller. the overall hair
» growth
» » seems uniform and natural looking

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» after about 9 months now, the hair in the area of the injections looks
» normal in direction,the thickness of the individual hairs looks normal, the
» hair grows at a normal pace. so at this point it’s a matter of density.
» originally when the injections were done, my concern would be that the hair
» would grow too dense and look like clusters of hair plugs. each injections
» has many cells (not sure if it’s hundreds,thousands or even millions placed
» in each individual injection). dense or sparse, my concern is how long will
» the new hair stay and regenerate for the future.

so the hair looks normal in direction (problem solved Dear SpanishDude), the thickness looks normal, etc… if it’s a matter of density, it’s almost done… they need to improve the amount of hair per injection and/or let to be the treatment repeatable :slight_smile:

those are good news for us, thanks.

ps. I have a suggestion for you, to make your post better readable try to hit the “delete text completely” blue link when you post

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how do aderans know if the hair that has grown is not your old “dieing” hair follicle that has regenerated with the treatment but rather a totally new follice?
i would suppose the slightly un normal orientation of the “new” follicles would indicate they are indeed “new” and not your old “regenerated” hair?
anyone can answer this?

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» how do aderans know if the hair that has grown is not your old “dieing”
» hair follicle that has regenerated with the treatment but rather a totally
» new follice?
» i would suppose the slightly un normal orientation of the “new” follicles
» would indicate they are indeed “new” and not your old “regenerated” hair?
» anyone can answer this?

Honestly WHO cares. Thomas told us what he has witnessed. Even if these are your Old hair follicles it doenst matter cause the most important thing “get back hairs” was fulfilled.

Hmmmmm let me think let methink, how could ARI knows if those hairs are new…Maybe,…maybe they did count the hairs in those injected areas before the treatment and then after the treatment…but this is only a wild guess :lookaround:

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does exist a technique to see under the scalp if there are “dormient” follicle?

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» » how do aderans know if the hair that has grown is not your old “dieing”
» » hair follicle that has regenerated with the treatment but rather a
» totally
» » new follice?
» » i would suppose the slightly un normal orientation of the “new”
» follicles
» » would indicate they are indeed “new” and not your old “regenerated”
» hair?
» » anyone can answer this?
»
» Honestly WHO cares. Thomas told us what he has witnessed. Even if these
» are your Old hair follicles it doenst matter cause the most important thing
» “get back hairs” was fulfilled.
»
» Hmmmmm let me think let methink, how could ARI knows if those hairs are
» new…Maybe,…maybe they did count the hairs in those injected areas
» before the treatment and then after the treatment…but this is only a
» wild guess :lookaround:

well it actually makes a difference as the newly created follicles would be cloned DHT resistant hairs… while the rejuvenated hairs could be susceptible to DHT… and might be prone to fall out again or require constant treatment.