» I already tried the TCA 30% several times. It did nothing.
» I was thinking on applying phenol to a 1 square centimeter so even if the
» skin is affected it won’t really matter much.
» If you tell me the experiment that worked on you I would try it. I have
» tried almost everything.
The main thing that I do, is pluck before I abrade. Through my experiments, I find this to be key. Currently, I am trying to find a working time-frame. So far I’ve done 4 experiments.
All but one abration is done with medium sand-paper, down to just before any speck of blood.
Results - nothing, or slight peach fuzz here and there.
Plucking hair 24 hours before abrading.
Results - impressive, about 3 hairs for every plucked one, and growing in places where there has not grown hair in 8 years.
3 Plucking and abrading a few minutes after that.
Results - dissapointing in contrast to experiment 2. Same pattern as before though, with hair springing forth lower than they have been in about 8 years, just less uniform and less of it.
4 - Plucking hair and waiting 48 hours before abrading. This test is also checking out if there is any marked difference in doing smaller abrasion areas close to each other.
Results - currently waiting for them. Should turn up in about 2-3 weeks, with full effect coming in when the actual plucked hair grows back.
This is based on animal testing that noted a 10x increase in regenerated hair when plucked prior to abrasion. I’d spare my own home-spun theory as to why this is, and just leave that observation. I figured it might be something there, though the mice don’t have MPB to fight against as their hair is regenerating.
I have just come home after a short vacation, and I noticed hair from my dissapointing experiment (experiment 3) have become much more noticable now that some of the hair that was originally plucked are filling in.
Aside from the placement of the regenerated/rejuvenated dormant hair, I have found another pattern. Rejuvenated hair springs forth about 3 weeks after the skin has healed. They have so far all come out pretty much fully formed and very healthy, though this has a slight variance to it. The plucked hair grows back as thin or thicker than they were, but so far not weaker. They grow in several weeks after the rejuvenated hair.
I took some pictures so you can get a picture of what I am talking about. It’s not much, and keep in mind that I consider it a failiure, but only in regards to my other experiments. With perspective, it is pretty impressive that anything new really grows. I unfortunately do not have a “before” picture, but since I have very long hair now, it’s fairly easy to spot, as all the rejuvenated hair is markedly shorter. I also have fairly well-defined sharp temple-angles, and I wet all the hair down beside the rejuvenated ones so they would stand out better.
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The links turned out a little weird, but just click on them. Now, I post them to illustrate something. In my mind this is experiment was dissapointing, but educational. They might be worthless for some, and impressive for others. I tried to take them at different distances, and if anyone wants more, I’d be happy to oblige (digital camera!)
I just want to add that they come about after plucking about 15-20 hairs, most of which was near-fuzz, or so brittle and withered that they just came out of the head with no effort and no pain whatsoever. The abrasion was done with a toothbrush, as I was experimenting with a method that would avoid using acids and sandpaper; both of which pretty much requires that you buzz your hair down.
For comparisons sake - the results from my second experiment gave twice as good results. Both in terms of numbers of hair, and most importantly, uniformity.
So very little effort, for results that were undoubtedly better than what I started with. The real heartache of this procedure, is down-time, and there seems to be no way around that. But I think there is loads of potential in it, and I’ll be the first to post if I get some cool results from my 4th experiment.
It is low-cost, and in my opinion are more impressive - and in shorter time - than what I usually see with propecia + minoxidil. At almost no cost, that’s hard to beat, and the fact that it seems to curiously rejuvenate hairs that are long gone is very interesting to say the least.
These very basic, DIY-experiments is why I think Follica is sitting on something really profound. Sure, these new hairs will not last forever, and the ones I rejuvenated first did eventually fall off, but they did so at the 2 year mark!
Who knows what could happen if this was done twice a year, all over your head, done correctly. Through my experiments, I am slowly edging towards finding that out, but it takes a long time to evaluate each approach.
It’s certainly food for thought though.
Edit: I also want to reiterate that I do not think you should run out and buy phenol. Not only is it hard to come by in the first place (because it’s really out of vouge), but it is painful without any sedation, and there is a marked risk for discolorization. If you’re just going to do a small area, use sandpaper and your sense.
I really don’t want people to run out, buy a lot of stuff and just try this hardcore. Everyones skin is different, and even though acid at a specific percentage is much easier in terms of gauging how much to use in order to break up X amount of skin-depth, each person will react differently to each strenght.
And on top of that, the fact that I’ve gotten so varied results with just manipulating time-frame, amount of hair plucked, the condition of the hair plucked, and lastly, depth/severity of skin damage says a lot of how complex this actually is, and considering the down-time, I really don’t want anyone to do it all over their head and loose 2 months of their life till it grows back, only to find out that the results were close to nill.
It’s very easy to do things out of desperation, so if anyone is interested, go slow. You have to get accostumed to your chosen abrasion-technique anyway, so there’s a lot of little details.
On the up-side - just getting any positive results in a very small area is pretty profoundly uplifting, and in my case, the desire to immediately go out and do it all over my head went down considerably once I actually saw that there’s something to this.