» The 5-year figure is pure speculation. Nobody knows if & when this is
» going to be on the market. However, the size of the current Phase II trials
» suggests that they are quite confident about their product, and therefore
» it is not unreasonable to assume that they will want to sell this as soon
» as possible. It should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a
» commercially available product in 5 years if everything goes well.
» (Note the word “if” in that sentence…)
First you say the 5-year figure is pure speculation, and then you say “it should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially available product in 5 years if everything goes well.”
How do you surmise the latter then if it’s “pure speculation?”
All that I’m claiming is that “it should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially available product in 5 years if everything goes well,” as you say, and in addition that it’s very unlikely to take much less given how long things took in the past. If it’s taking Aderans 2 years to go through phase II, do we really think that preparing phase III, going through it, and after that waiting for FDA approval, is likely to be quick? I say no.
“Pure speculation” implies no information is used to reach a conclusion, and this is clearly not the case here.
» BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or anything
» you can share? Are you sure you don’t have this confused w/ Follica cuz I
» know they were on there…
I apologize. I think the video was about Follica. Got the two confused.
» » BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or anything
» » you can share? Are you sure you don’t have this confused w/ Follica cuz
» I
» » know they were on there…
»
» I apologize. I think the video was about Follica. Got the two confused.
It’s all good man, I hope when this comes out they can control the length of the hair. I know Rassman said once cloning became available this would be possible but he could be wrong… does anyone else know anything about this (this actually deeply concerns me)? Even any theories or possible thoughts? Maybe I should email ARI and ask them, donno if they will respond though.
» BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or anything
» you can share?
Here at least the old one:
Dr. K. Washenik (Bosley/Aderans) – March 2007:
“This whole concept IS already in clinical testing. There is … we have a group based in Atlanta and Philadelphia research labs and there is a research group [Intercytex] over in the UK that’s working on at the same time.
So depending on who … late 2009 - early 2010"
Bosley/Aderans (Washenik etc) will NEVER say the truth resp. will give you an exact date for a market release. Bosley/Aderans deal with an ongoing hair transplantation chain/business. So it would NOT very clever to announce public to much “big news” – would YOU?
In fact, which fool would visit Bosley-offices for a traditional “HT” thereafter?
I think we will not even be aware of a market release for some time, until they fully established a workable/applicable concept (structurally, technically, protocols etc) for a FULL introduction of their new HM-related products. BTW - I noticed HSI (Dr. Gho) did the same during the past few years.
» » BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or anything
» » you can share?
»
» Here at least the old one:
»
» -----------------------
» Dr. K. Washenik (Bosley/Aderans) – March 2007:
»
» “This whole concept IS already in clinical testing. There is … we have a
» group based in Atlanta and Philadelphia research labs and there is a
» research group [Intercytex] over in the UK that’s working on at the same
» time.
» So depending on who … late 2009 - early 2010"
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair_multiplication/washenik_tv_interview.htm
» -----------------------
»
» Bosley/Aderans (Washenik etc) will NEVER say the truth resp. will give you
» an exact date for a market release. Bosley/Aderans deal with an ongoing
» hair transplantation chain/business. So it would NOT very clever to
» announce public to much “big news” – would YOU?
» In fact, which fool would visit Bosley-offices for a traditional “HT”
» thereafter?
»
» I think we will not even be aware of a market release for some time, until
» they fully established a workable/applicable concept (structurally,
» technically, protocols etc) for a FULL introduction of their new HM-related
» products. BTW - I noticed HSI (Dr. Gho) did the same during the past few
» years.
lol, i always have to laugh when you mention your beloved Dr. Gho
» » » BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or
» anything
» » » you can share?
» »
» » Here at least the old one:
» »
» » -----------------------
» » Dr. K. Washenik (Bosley/Aderans) – March 2007:
» »
» » “This whole concept IS already in clinical testing. There is … we have
» a
» » group based in Atlanta and Philadelphia research labs and there is a
» » research group [Intercytex] over in the UK that’s working on at the
» same
» » time.
» » So depending on who … late 2009 - early 2010"
» »
» » http://www.hairsite.com/hair_multiplication/washenik_tv_interview.htm
I understand what you are saying iron man, truth is its still not going to be here for a while!
» » -----------------------
» »
» » Bosley/Aderans (Washenik etc) will NEVER say the truth resp. will give
» you
» » an exact date for a market release. Bosley/Aderans deal with an ongoing
» » hair transplantation chain/business. So it would NOT very clever to
» » announce public to much “big news” – would YOU?
» » In fact, which fool would visit Bosley-offices for a traditional “HT”
» » thereafter?
» »
» » I think we will not even be aware of a market release for some time,
» until
» » they fully established a workable/applicable concept (structurally,
» » technically, protocols etc) for a FULL introduction of their new
» HM-related
» » products. BTW - I noticed HSI (Dr. Gho) did the same during the past
» few
» » years.
»
» lol, i always have to laugh when you mention your beloved Dr. Gho
» » » BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or
» anything
» » » you can share?
» »
» » Here at least the old one:
» »
» » -----------------------
» » Dr. K. Washenik (Bosley/Aderans) – March 2007:
» »
» » “This whole concept IS already in clinical testing. There is … we have
» a
» » group based in Atlanta and Philadelphia research labs and there is a
» » research group [Intercytex] over in the UK that’s working on at the
» same
» » time.
» » So depending on who … late 2009 - early 2010"
» »
» » http://www.hairsite.com/hair_multiplication/washenik_tv_interview.htm
» » -----------------------
» »
» » Bosley/Aderans (Washenik etc) will NEVER say the truth resp. will give
» you
» » an exact date for a market release. Bosley/Aderans deal with an ongoing
» » hair transplantation chain/business. So it would NOT very clever to
» » announce public to much “big news” – would YOU?
» » In fact, which fool would visit Bosley-offices for a traditional “HT”
» » thereafter?
» »
» » I think we will not even be aware of a market release for some time,
» until
» » they fully established a workable/applicable concept (structurally,
» » technically, protocols etc) for a FULL introduction of their new
» HM-related
» » products. BTW - I noticed HSI (Dr. Gho) did the same during the past
» few
» » years.
»
» lol, i always have to laugh when you mention your beloved Dr. Gho
OH YES, I like him, because unfortunately there is no other serious person/company for a comparison out there - or are you aware of any? :surprised:
By the way …
By michael barry – May 2006: “I posted this to show the guys that the precept of “multiplying” hairs has happened, and will continue to happen. That old strip scar from ear to ear in the back of your head is the last century’s technology. Gho’s method will be surpassed almost undoubtably by what ICX and Anderans is doing. Gho is now looking for a way to use machines to speed up what he does now (I dont see how in the world that will work to be honest). However, we ALL OWE COEN GHO a great debt. He’s the first to push the precept of donor multiplication and to advance it. It no doubt was the catalyst for other entities to look into it.”
» » » » BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or
» » anything
» » » » you can share?
» » »
» » » Here at least the old one:
» » »
» » » -----------------------
» » » Dr. K. Washenik (Bosley/Aderans) – March 2007:
» » »
» » » “This whole concept IS already in clinical testing. There is … we
» have
» » a
» » » group based in Atlanta and Philadelphia research labs and there is a
» » » research group [Intercytex] over in the UK that’s working on at the
» » same
» » » time.
» » » So depending on who … late 2009 - early 2010"
» » »
» » » http://www.hairsite.com/hair_multiplication/washenik_tv_interview.htm
Well Trichoscience are doing the same thing if not something similar. They are in phase I so they are MILES behind Adreans
» » » -----------------------
» » »
» » » Bosley/Aderans (Washenik etc) will NEVER say the truth resp. will
» give
» » you
» » » an exact date for a market release. Bosley/Aderans deal with an
» ongoing
» » » hair transplantation chain/business. So it would NOT very clever to
» » » announce public to much “big news” – would YOU?
» » » In fact, which fool would visit Bosley-offices for a traditional “HT”
» » » thereafter?
» » »
» » » I think we will not even be aware of a market release for some time,
» » until
» » » they fully established a workable/applicable concept (structurally,
» » » technically, protocols etc) for a FULL introduction of their new
» » HM-related
» » » products. BTW - I noticed HSI (Dr. Gho) did the same during the past
» » few
» » » years.
» »
» » lol, i always have to laugh when you mention your beloved Dr.
» Gho
»
» OH YES, I like him, because unfortunately there is no other serious
» person/company for a comparison out there - or are you aware of any?
» :surprised:
»
» By the way …
» ----------------
» By michael barry – May 2006: “I posted this to show the
» guys that the precept of “multiplying” hairs has happened, and will
» continue to happen. That old strip scar from ear to ear in the back of your
» head is the last century’s technology. Gho’s method will be surpassed
» almost undoubtably by what ICX and Anderans is doing. Gho is now looking
» for a way to use machines to speed up what he does now (I dont see how in
» the world that will work to be honest). However, we ALL OWE COEN GHO a
» great debt. He’s the first to push the precept of donor multiplication and
» to advance it. It no doubt was the catalyst for other entities to look
» into it.”
» ----------------
»
» And MB was absolutely right …
» Well Trichoscience are doing the same thing if not something similar. They
» are in phase I so they are MILES behind Adreans
Hä? Tricho who??
Loss of Integrin αvβ6 Causes Enhanced Keratinocyte Proliferation and Retarded Hair Follicle Regression In Vivo
Dr Kevin McElwee, The University of British Columbia, Canada
Safety profile of human autologous dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) [the old mice ear story ] intended to treat androgenetic alopecia
Rolf Hoffmann, TrichoScience Innovations Inc., Canada
» » Well Trichoscience are doing the same thing if not something
» similar. They
» » are in phase I so they are MILES behind Adreans
»
» Hä? Tricho who??
»
» --------------------------
» Loss of Integrin αvβ6 Causes Enhanced Keratinocyte Proliferation
» and Retarded Hair Follicle Regression In Vivo
» Dr Kevin McElwee, The University of British Columbia, Canada
» -----------------
» Safety profile of human autologous dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC)
» [the old mice ear story ] intended to treat
» androgenetic alopecia
» Rolf Hoffmann, TrichoScience Innovations Inc., Canada
»
» http://www.hair2010.org/session/360.asp
» --------------------------
»
» These guys do not have ANYTHING!!
» » » Well Trichoscience are doing the same thing if not something
» » similar. They
» » » are in phase I so they are MILES behind Adreans
» »
» » Hä? Tricho who??
» »
» » --------------------------
» » Loss of Integrin αvβ6 Causes Enhanced Keratinocyte
» Proliferation
» » and Retarded Hair Follicle Regression In Vivo
»
» » Dr Kevin McElwee, The University of British Columbia, Canada
» » -----------------
» » Safety profile of human autologous dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC)
» » [the old mice ear story ] intended to treat
» » androgenetic alopecia
» » Rolf Hoffmann, TrichoScience Innovations Inc., Canada
» »
» » http://www.hair2010.org/session/360.asp
» » --------------------------
» »
» » These guys do not have ANYTHING!!
»
» I wonder what we will hear from this conference?
» » http://www.trichoscience.com/
Me too! Hopefully, we got something to really make us want to light off some fireworks!
(no sarcasm intended, i hope to god we get good news)
» First you say the 5-year figure is pure speculation, and then you say “it
» should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially available
» product in 5 years if everything goes well.”
»
» How do you surmise the latter then if it’s “pure speculation?”
I don’t know what your problem is. The 5-year figure is speculation because we do not know anything about the trials. (We haven’t heard from Aderans how the trials are going.) However, we do know that Aderans are in Phase II trials. And as this is not the first product that is regulated by the FDA we know that it is not unreasonable to assume that a product that is currently in Phase II trials will be commercially available in the next five years - if there aren’t any problems.
» » First you say the 5-year figure is pure speculation, and then you say
» “it
» » should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially
» available
» » product in 5 years if everything goes well.”
» »
» » How do you surmise the latter then if it’s “pure speculation?”
»
»
» I don’t know what your problem is. The 5-year figure is speculation
» because we do not know anything about the trials. (We haven’t heard
» from Aderans how the trials are going.) However, we do know that
» Aderans are in Phase II trials. And as this is not the first product that
» is regulated by the FDA we know that it is not unreasonable to assume that
» a product that is currently in Phase II trials will be commercially
» available in the next five years - if there aren’t any problems.
FDA Food and Drugs, Adreans is not a drugs its colning, so why do they have to poke their beaks in it?
Also as Adreans wig makers are based in Japan, who says that after phae III they wont launch it in Japan or anywhere else? Not every one outside the US will come to the US to have it done? right?
» » First you say the 5-year figure is pure speculation, and then you say
» “it
» » should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially
» available
» » product in 5 years if everything goes well.”
» »
» » How do you surmise the latter then if it’s “pure speculation?”
»
»
» I don’t know what your problem is. The 5-year figure is speculation
» because we do not know anything about the trials. (We haven’t heard
» from Aderans how the trials are going.) However, we do know that
» Aderans are in Phase II trials. And as this is not the first product that
» is regulated by the FDA we know that it is not unreasonable to assume that
» a product that is currently in Phase II trials will be commercially
» available in the next five years - if there aren’t any problems.
His problem is, that it seems that you’re simply unable to stop your crappy “5 year” story …
And just to let you know: As the FDA reported this year (repeatedly on their page and within the page I linked too), procedures like Aderans’ (autologous) cell based products, would be one of the first who seek for approval for such (new) cellular and/or gene therapy products. And the FDA itself reports, that you CAN’T compare such (new) technologies with any cancer pills or any other drug or ‘traditional’ therapies.
» His problem is, that it seems that you’re simply unable to stop your
» crappy “5 year” story …
Actually, I’m simply unable to stop my “it’s all speculation” story - it could be 5, 10, 15 or 20 years. Who knows? As long as we don’t hear from Aderans it’s all pure speculation.
My personal opinion is that it is possible we’ll have a product in the next 5 years. No guarantees - but I personally think it’s possible if there are no major problems.
» » » First you say the 5-year figure is pure speculation, and then you say
» » “it
» » » should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially
» » available
» » » product in 5 years if everything goes well.”
» » »
» » » How do you surmise the latter then if it’s “pure speculation?”
» »
» »
» » I don’t know what your problem is. The 5-year figure is speculation
» » because we do not know anything about the trials. (We haven’t
» heard
» » from Aderans how the trials are going.) However, we do know that
» » Aderans are in Phase II trials. And as this is not the first product
» that
» » is regulated by the FDA we know that it is not unreasonable to assume
» that
» » a product that is currently in Phase II trials will be commercially
» » available in the next five years - if there aren’t any problems.
»
» FDA Food and Drugs, Adreans is not a drugs its colning, so why do they
» have to poke their beaks in it?
»
» Also as Adreans wig makers are based in Japan, who says that after phae
» III they wont launch it in Japan or anywhere else? Not every one outside
» the US will come to the US to have it done? right?
True to that I would freakin love to see Japan (though I still think the US is the best place in the world to live)! More importantly get this procedure done would rock.
Now to study for a exam… I am begging to loath college, at least this class.
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