OK, this was posted earlier, but it bears repeating. ARI acquired all knowledge and patents of ICX and have treated 100 trialists. They are the real deal.
» OK, this was posted earlier, but it bears repeating. ARI acquired all
» knowledge and patents of ICX and have treated 100 trialists. They are the
» real deal.
»
» http://www.prweb.com/releases/Hair/Loss/prweb3790814.htm
so they have already done the trial ! they’re waiting for results? is it right?
For the first time in years I’m actually quite optimistic about the chances of this being available in the foreseeable future.
The scale of these trials makes me think that they are really on to something. (Until recently I thought they were full of crap, but they seem to have confidence in their product.)
I think it’s possible - even likely - that the first generation of ARI’s product will be on the market in the next 5 years. It remains to be seen how well the first generation is going to work. Is it going to be the “silver bullet” we’ve all been waiting for, or is it something that’s going to be used in conjunction with a traditional hair transplant? Will we be able to regrow all our hair, or is it going to be a product that is only marginally more successful than Minoxidil & Propecia?
And last but not least: How much is it going to cost? How many treatments will be necessary, and what guarantees do we have that the new hair isn’t going to fall out again?
Oh, I do wish someone from ARI were talking to Hairsite…
» For the first time in years I’m actually quite optimistic about the chances
» of this being available in the foreseeable future.
»
» The scale of these trials makes me think that they are really on to
» something. (Until recently I thought they were full of crap, but they seem
» to have confidence in their product.)
»
» I think it’s possible - even likely - that the first generation of ARI’s
» product will be on the market in the next 5 years. It remains to be seen
» how well the first generation is going to work. Is it going to be the
» “silver bullet” we’ve all been waiting for, or is it something that’s going
» to be used in conjunction with a traditional hair transplant? Will we be
» able to regrow all our hair, or is it going to be a product that is only
» marginally more successful than Minoxidil & Propecia?
»
» And last but not least: How much is it going to cost? How many treatments
» will be necessary, and what guarantees do we have that the new hair isn’t
» going to fall out again?
»
» Oh, I do wish someone from ARI were talking to Hairsite…
Well they are in phase II and phase III now so if all goes well why another 5 years? Why not after the trails, surley FDA approval doesnt take that long?
» Well they are in phase II and phase III now so if all goes well why
» another 5 years? Why not after the trails, surley FDA approval doesnt take
» that long?
I think guys like cal knows the answer …
» @cal: “Tons of people will wanna jump in and say “oh, it’ll never be cheap!” But
» there are also tons of people who are sure it’ll never happen at all
» because they’re sure it’s all a big conspiracy by the drugmakers against
» permanently curing baldness. Look for pessimism and you’ll find plenty of it
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-65759-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
… and he is absolutely right. Most of these “in about 5, 10 or maybe 15 years”-guys have absolutely NO CLUE. Most of them are completely unable to explain adducible the reason as well when you ask them.
I think Aderans has a lot to gain from this. Remember, NBC featured Aderans on their Today show and the doctor on ‘Today’ said “this is the real deal”. Of course, how soon a product will come out and whether or not it will be truly effective is the real question. The good news is that Aderans does seem to be on the right track, and has a lot to gain from producing a viable product.
» Well they are in phase II and phase III now so if all goes well why
» another 5 years? Why not after the trails, surley FDA approval doesnt take
» that long?
I didn’t say it will take another five years; I said that I think it’s likely that a product will be out in the next five years. If there is a product on the market next year or in 2012 that would be in that time span, wouldn’t it?
And by the way: I have never read anything official from Aderans that they are combining Phase II and Phase III trials. Unless I read that in an official statement from Aderans I will consider any suggestions that they are combining the trials to be pure speculation and/or wishful thinking.
» And by the way: I have never read anything official from Aderans that they
» are combining Phase II and Phase III trials. Unless I read that in an
» official statement from Aderans I will consider any suggestions that they
» are combining the trials to be pure speculation and/or wishful thinking.
100% agree!!!
» » And by the way: I have never read anything official from Aderans that
» they
» » are combining Phase II and Phase III trials. Unless I read that in an
» » official statement from Aderans I will consider any suggestions that
» they
» » are combining the trials to be pure speculation and/or wishful
» thinking.
»
» 100% agree!!!
All I know is I(we) NEED THIS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! I literally can’t take it anymore, I WANT MY LIFE BACK. This isn’t a joke, I would do anything for HM.
BTW when was Aderans on the today show? Do you have a clip or anything you can share? Are you sure you don’t have this confused w/ Follica cuz I know they were on there…
» » And by the way: I have never read anything official from Aderans that
» they
» » are combining Phase II and Phase III trials. Unless I read that in an
» » official statement from Aderans I will consider any suggestions that
» they
» » are combining the trials to be pure speculation and/or wishful
» thinking.
»
» 100% agree!!!
I also agree
» … and he is absolutely right. Most of these “in about 5, 10 or maybe 15
» years”-guys have absolutely NO CLUE. Most of them are completely unable to
» explain adducible the reason as well when you ask them.
Aderans is in phase II. There has been no announcement of completion of phase II. And based on that, 5 years is a likely time to market, if their product works.
Completion of phase II - 1 more year
Start of phase III - 1 year after that
Time for completion of phase III - 2 years (that’s how long phase II is taking)
Review by FDA - 1 year after completion of phase III
This is a total of 5 years (at least), and it’s no speculation. It’s a reasonable time frame. If we want to be really optimistic, we can say 4 years if we believe Aderans can shave time off that schedule here and there.
» » … and he is absolutely right. Most of these “in about 5, 10 or maybe 15
» » years”-guys have absolutely NO CLUE. Most of them are completely unable
» to
» » explain adducible the reason as well when you ask them.
»
» Aderans is in phase II. There has been no announcement of completion of
» phase II. And based on that, 5 years is a likely time to market, if
» their product works.
»
» Completion of phase II - 1 more year
» Start of phase III - 1 year after that
» Time for completion of phase III - 2 years (that’s how long phase II is
» taking)
» Review by FDA - 1 year after completion of phase III
»
» This is a total of 5 years (at least), and it’s no speculation. It’s a
» reasonable time frame. If we want to be really optimistic, we can say 4
» years if we believe Aderans can shave time off that schedule here and
» there.
Thanks for clarifying that once and for all.
But if this is no speculation, so your none-speculacion is based on what?
» Thanks for clarifying that once and for all.
» But if this is no speculation, so your none-speculacion is based on what?
An estimate of how long things take and have taken in the past. It’s a lower bound on how long this may take as well as a ball park estimate when Aderans’ HM would be available if they don’t have to go back to the drawing board on anything major. The upper bound of course it limitless, since for all we know, Aderans doesn’t actually have anything viable.
» » Thanks for clarifying that once and for all.
» » But if this is no speculation, so your none-speculacion is based on
» what?
»
» An estimate of how long things take and have taken in the past. It’s a
» lower bound on how long this may take as well as a ball park estimate when
» Aderans’ HM would be available if they don’t have to go back to the drawing
» board on anything major. The upper bound of course it limitless, since for
» all we know, Aderans doesn’t actually have anything viable.
One person says they are in phase II overlaping Phase III
another says phase II and 5 years? WTF? where are all your people getting you information from???
» One person says they are in phase II overlaping Phase III
» another says phase II and 5 years? WTF? where are all your people getting
» you information from???
I’m the “overlapping person”. :waving:
And I get my information simply from the SOURCE itself - for example:
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/CellularandGeneTherapy/ucm072571.htm
The FDA does NOT say “Your clinical human phase II trail have to last at least X month/years!”
All they just say is WHAT they expect from you (inventor, biotec company etc) and WHY they expect this from you. If somebody is able in an adequate or given manner to fulfill their expectations (necessary documentation etc etc), they will approve your product. And especially for hair-related cell products, that isn’t that complicated than e.g. a “oral cancer DRUG”, because either hair is growing (within ~3 month) or it doesn’t.
» » One person says they are in phase II overlaping Phase III
» » another says phase II and 5 years? WTF? where are all your people
» getting
» » you information from???
»
» I’m the “overlapping person”. :waving:
»
» And I get my information simply from the SOURCE itself - for example:
» http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/CellularandGeneTherapy/ucm072571.htm
»
» The FDA does NOT say “Your clinical human phase II trail have to last
» at least X month/years!”
» All they just say is WHAT they expect from you (inventor, biotec company
» etc) and WHY they expect this from you. If somebody is able in an adequate
» or given manner to fulfill their expectations (necessary documentation etc
» etc), they will approve your product. And especially for hair-related cell
» products, that isn’t that complicated than e.g. a “oral cancer DRUG”,
» because either hair is growing (within ~3 month) or it doesn’t.
Thanks for posting the link iron man… i really hope it come soon!
Do you know how it work, is it like a HT or a cell based transplant, where the cells are placed into the scalp and then turn into new hairs?
» One person says they are in phase II overlaping Phase III
» another says phase II and 5 years? WTF? where are all your people getting
» you information from???
According to Aderans’ press releases they are in Phase II trials now. They have never mentioned anything about Phase III trials, and therefore there is no reason to believe that they are conducting Phase III trials at the moment.
The 5-year figure is pure speculation. Nobody knows if & when this is going to be on the market. However, the size of the current Phase II trials suggests that they are quite confident about their product, and therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that they will want to sell this as soon as possible. It should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a commercially available product in 5 years if everything goes well. (Note the word “if” in that sentence…)
» » One person says they are in phase II overlaping Phase III
» » another says phase II and 5 years? WTF? where are all your people
» getting
» » you information from???
»
» According to Aderans’ press releases they are in Phase II trials now. They
» have never mentioned anything about Phase III trials, and therefore there
» is no reason to believe that they are conducting Phase III trials at the
» moment.
»
» The 5-year figure is pure speculation. Nobody knows if & when this is
» going to be on the market. However, the size of the current Phase II trials
» suggests that they are quite confident about their product, and therefore
» it is not unreasonable to assume that they will want to sell this as soon
» as possible. It should be possible to get from Phase II trials to a
» commercially available product in 5 years if everything goes well.
» (Note the word “if” in that sentence…)
Even it would require 5 more years (btw - Aderans recently “bought” some years & data), I would NEVER buy a crappy (illusion) HT - which actually just destroy your natural given follicle structure in your scalp.
HTs wouldn’t be a crappy illusion with unlimited donor hair.
They can usually get like 70-80% of original density with existing HTs, but it’s just that rarely does anyone have the donor hair to wanna attempt it. At the time when you had only lost 20-30% of your original density you probably never even sensed that you were balding yet.
» HTs wouldn’t be a crappy illusion with unlimited donor hair.
»
» They can usually get like 70-80% of original density with existing HTs,
» but it’s just that rarely does anyone have the donor hair to wanna attempt
» it. At the time when you had only lost 20-30% of your original density you
» probably never even sensed that you were balding yet.
So for most NW5/6 candidates it IS “crappy” … 
But you’re right and I know what you mean.
BTW - Don’t forget the REJUVENATION thingy …
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/aesthetic/icxtrc/
(View the animation)
That means the “clunky” version (NEOGENESIS) would mean in most cases the 2nd step - if there is a need. Most likley for the manual hairline design.