Aderans Site Update

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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» My guess is that they get better results with rejuvenation than noegenesis.
» Because back in 2006, they main focus (base on internet interview a while
» back) was on noegenesis and rejuvenation was an added bonus.

At least Dr. Anthony Atala IS, in fact, able to create both: Neogenesis (new organs from scratch) AND rejuvenation (rejuvenation/repair of existing organs) as well …

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I would be 100% happy to learn that they’re causing rejuvenation over neogenesis. I might even prefer it that way. IMHO all-new hair follicle creation is probably a risk for more complications & potential risks than healing the damage to the existing follicles.

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Still no answers!it brings more questions as usual and i don’t understand this sentence " according experts" they are supposed to be THE EXPERTS in the field and should know when their product will be available!!!

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» Still no answers!it brings more questions as usual and i don’t understand
» this sentence " according experts" they are supposed to be THE EXPERTS in
» the field and should know when their product will be available!!!

guys, do not fret… we all know Thomas Whitfield has something “cooking” for us (as soon as someone has committed a good idea to his webpage!)… haha… what a freak.

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» guys, do not fret… we all know Thomas Whitfield has something “cooking”
» for us (as soon as someone has committed a good idea to his webpage!)…
» haha… what a freak.

hahaha…right on brotha!

I think someone should tell him about Rod Stewart’s sem*n - its known to cure many illnesses. :smiley:

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so, we are 10 years away ??

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i hope it will happened before 2015!!!
just a dream lol

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» so, we are 10 years away ??

if everything works out for ARI as planned - then about 3 years away.

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» » so, we are 10 years away ??
»
» if everything works out for ARI as planned - then about 3 years away.

this is your opinion or just an official “state of the art” and official prevision for the future ?

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» this is your opinion or just an official “state of the art” and official
» prevision for the future ?

my opinion based on their progress :slight_smile:

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» » this is your opinion or just an official “state of the art” and official
» » prevision for the future ?
»
» my opinion based on their progress :slight_smile:
this is the first major red flag in a while. I love
to look at the positive but when they put that on their
website it screams at you. Within the decade. I
would doubt anyone here believes that is positive.

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» this is the first major red flag in a while. I love
» to look at the positive but when they put that on their
» website it screams at you. Within the decade. I
» would doubt anyone here believes that is positive.

What Intercytex did was red flag - small trials, no updates, talking about percentage hair growth instead of number of hairs etc…but people were too blind to see it…especially because of positive spin from ‘nathan’ and ‘thegame’ - who now I think were probably shareholders or something.

Aderans went off the radar in 2005…but since last year they have been posting updates regularly and the fact that they are doing trials in 15 locations in US with over 100 patients is definitely a good sign.

I don’t see how anyone can look at aderans progress now and say they can’t come out with a treatment within 3-5 years. It’s very plausible, of course that highly depends on how the phase-II trials go.

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i don’t understand why aderans or histogen aren’t able to tell us our product will be on market at that date
aderans is in phase 2 tey make trials ok but they should know the time of these phase 2 trials
i d’ont ask that they tell us product will be avaible in may 2014 for example but i think one year can be annonced ex 2015 or 2014…
(i know bad english lol)
I think that if aderans doesn’t give a date it"s bad sign
if they had a good product they would give more optimistic informations and that’s not the case
To me aderans have just had little results nothing spectacular that’s why they are so dumb about results and calendar
i hope everyone could understand what i wanted to say:-P

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» » this is your opinion or just an official “state of the art” and official
» » prevision for the future ?
»
» my opinion based on their progress :slight_smile:

And my opinion is based on FACTS … :wink:

Recently, I mentioned comments by some independent, different and ARI-trails interested users …

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-68699-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

Just to mention the most important one again:

· Shooter
4/28/10 3:16 pm
K guys. Here’s what I know:
I called the number on the Aderans site for the clinical trial nearest to me.
I talked to a lady from the research facility who was extremely nice. She said they hadn’t started recruitment just yet, but that the study itself should start in May. Overall it lasts for about a year. She said that the majority of the procedure is done during the first few visits and then its mostly just monitoring afterwards.

· Ritchie
5/4/10 4:34 pm
I just signed up for consideration on the Aderans clinical trials here in L.A. I still have to go through a screening process to see if I qualify. They said that trials would be starting shortly. It would be a year long process, and I would be compensated $1400. I hope I get chosen. If I do, I will keep everyone posted as to my progress. Wish me luck….

Yet, we know it straight out of ARI’s mouth, that these guys didn’t told any BS …

Source: http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_experience.html

Now we know, that it is “typically”, that such a trail (at least in ARI’s case) lasts “typically” just 1 year – ONE YEAR!

So they started this trail (which phase in fact ?) in May, 2010 – right?
This trail should last about 1 year – right?

And after this trail – WHAT ?

I GUESS, they are done – once and for all - with their trails in May, 2011.

But even there would be a “phase 3 trail” (or they’re forced by the FDA to do a phase 3 trail, or whatever), HOW LONG would THIS trail last? As we know – about 1 year, because it’s “typically”! So there we have May 2012 …

And after this trail – WHAT ?

Regarding the “decade” crap:
There’re TWO main reasons, why Aderans DON’T give you an exact date/timeline for an introduction of their product (Ji Gami™) onto the market:

1) Aderans itself, through Bosley, has an ongoing hair transplant business – right?

So would it really make sense for them to cry out LOUD & CLEAR “Hey guys, DO NOT undergo a traditional HT in our clinics, because HM is just around the corner!!” ( ??? )

2) Fear to get troubles with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC);

If Aderans would give just YOU an exact date/timeline, this would be considered as “insider information”. And such an information COULD be an important information about the plans of Aderans, that has not been released to the public, for the use for personal profit – and this IS, in fact, illegal.
On the other hand, would it make sense to make it public? In ARI’s case, I guess, NO as well …

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» Regarding the “decade” crap:
» There’re TWO main reasons, why Aderans DON’T give you an exact
» date/timeline for an introduction of their product (Ji Gami™) onto the
» market:
»
» 1) Aderans itself, through Bosley, has an ongoing hair transplant
» business – right?
»
» So would it really make sense for them to cry out LOUD & CLEAR “Hey guys,
» DO NOT undergo a traditional HT in our clinics, because HM is just around
» the corner!!” ( ??? )

Well i must agree, it does make sens, in regards to selling HM to soon would hurt bosley.

For the rest, your planning is too optomistic. We don’t know if Phase3 will be more complex and will take longuer, in order to get additionnal information. Or they could attempt to cover the head completely for the first time for all participants. God!!! if that is so, i will apply to the clinical trials (phase 3).

I think it is not worth predicting their release. The only thing we can do is create a Pool and start betting…

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» » » this is your opinion or just an official “state of the art” and
» official
» » » prevision for the future ?
» »
» » my opinion based on their progress :slight_smile:
»
» And my opinion is based on FACTS … :wink:
»
» Recently, I mentioned comments by some independent, different and
» ARI-trails interested users …
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-68699-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
»
» Just to mention the most important one again:
» -------------------------------
» · Shooter
» 4/28/10 3:16 pm
» K guys. Here’s what I know:
» I called the number on the Aderans site for the clinical trial nearest to
» me.
» I talked to a lady from the research facility who was extremely nice. She
» said they hadn’t started recruitment just yet, but that the study itself
» should start in May. Overall it lasts for about a year. She said
» that the majority of the procedure is done during the first few visits and
» then its mostly just monitoring afterwards.
» ---------
»
» · Ritchie
» 5/4/10 4:34 pm
» I just signed up for consideration on the Aderans clinical trials here in
» L.A. I still have to go through a screening process to see if I qualify.
» They said that trials would be starting shortly. It would be a year long
» process, and I would be compensated $1400. I hope I get chosen. If I
» do, I will keep everyone posted as to my progress. Wish me luck….
» -------------------------------
»
» Yet, we know it straight out of ARI’s mouth, that these guys didn’t told
» any BS …
»
»
» Source: http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_experience.html
»
» Now we know, that it is “typically”, that such a trail (at least in ARI’s
» case) lasts “typically” just 1 year – ONE YEAR!
»
» So they started this trail (which phase in fact ?) in May, 2010 – right?
» This trail should last about 1 year – right?
»
» And after this trail – WHAT ?
»
» I GUESS, they are done – once and for all - with their trails in May,
» 2011.
»
» But even there would be a “phase 3 trail” (or they’re forced by the FDA to
» do a phase 3 trail, or whatever), HOW LONG would THIS trail last? As we
» know – about 1 year, because it’s “typically”! So there we have May 2012 …
»
» And after this trail – WHAT ?
»
» Regarding the “decade” crap:
» There’re TWO main reasons, why Aderans DON’T give you an exact
» date/timeline for an introduction of their product (Ji Gami™) onto the
» market:
»
» 1) Aderans itself, through Bosley, has an ongoing hair transplant
» business – right?
»
» So would it really make sense for them to cry out LOUD & CLEAR “Hey guys,
» DO NOT undergo a traditional HT in our clinics, because HM is just around
» the corner!!” ( ??? )
»
» 2) Fear to get troubles with the Securities and Exchange Commission
» (SEC);
»
» If Aderans would give just YOU an exact date/timeline, this would be
» considered as “insider information”. And such an information COULD be an
» important information about the plans of Aderans, that has not been
» released to the public, for the use for personal profit – and this IS, in
» fact, illegal.
» On the other hand, would it make sense to make it public? In ARI’s case, I
» guess, NO as well …

nice …
but…how can you be sure that the product works?
none of us really know.i hope to see some pictures after the end of this trial, whether is phase 2 or combined 2+3.we didnt reach yet the point in time when research becomes product.
we dont know if it will ever become available because we dont know if it functions properly. And that means, if it functions for everybody and for any type of hairloss.when and if, we’ll see a picture of success, there will be no speculation and arguments about the release time. for me the game will be over when i see the first picture. if i am happy with this picture, i think that i can wait in peace for 3-5 years.(saving money)

as regards the two reasons you mentioned above for the decade time frame.
i would say that if i was sure it is ten years away, i might go for a transplant now. So yeah i believe you are right.

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can you use your research skills to guess if it is working properly?

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Phase#2 final results are what matters at this point. All else is B.S.

Whether the process is working well or not, either way they will be too far into the trials to hide it anymore by then.

If phase#2 works then it’s likely to be on the shelves within 3 to 5 years.

If phase#2 does not work then it is more likely to be another decade and/or a different HM operation entirely.

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»
»
» If phase#2 works then it’s likely to be on the shelves within 3 to 5
» years.
»
» If phase#2 does not work then it is more likely to be another decade
» and/or a different HM operation entirely.

icx trc was working according to them. at least the results of its phase 2 trials were saying that.
may be we need to re-define what ‘works’ means

we f*kin deserve a single picture after all these years of waiting:-P

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» »
» »
» » If phase#2 works then it’s likely to be on the shelves within 3 to 5
» » years.
» »
» » If phase#2 does not work then it is more likely to be another decade
» » and/or a different HM operation entirely.
»
» icx trc was working according to them. at least the results of its phase 2
» trials were saying that.
» may be we need to re-define what ‘works’ means
»
» we f*kin deserve a single picture after all these years of waiting:-P

irrelevant

the ‘other leg’ tries to sell as much wigs as it can

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20100612a6.html