» » I didn’t know that the good doctor Jerry “hair cloning breakthrough”
» » Cooley was an ICX advisor. Makes sense.
Principal Investigator for the forthcoming trials will be Dr Jerry Cooley (Head of the Carolina Dermatology Hair Center) who said “Having spent the last three years working closely with Intercytex [since May 2001] on clinical development of follicular cell implantation, it is extremely rewarding to see that TrichoCyte [later “ICX”] is progressing towards the next key stage of its product development.”
» » And if ARI knows whether or not its product works, then the mere fact
» that
» » it’s proceeding with Phase II means that it does indeed work. Unless,
» of
» » course, something’s afoul here.
»
» Just because they proceed with Phase II trials does not mean it works. It
» means they THINK it WILL work. Phase I trials are safety trials - they are
» to test the safety profile of the protocol. Phase II is a continuation of
» that safety profile, and the beginning of efficacy trials. Phase II
» determines whether or not the protocol works, and to what degree. If it
» works well enough, then Phase III trials are begun, and you can assume that
» it will reach the market as long as something doesn’t go awry. That is why
» Phase II trials are so important - they basically determine whether or not
» the protocol works.
»
» We can say this about Aderans: this is the first real,
» professionally-conducted trials of a true HM protocol. ICX was a sham, and
» its trials were a joke. If Aderans works, the ramifications will be
» significantly greater than simple hair restoration - it will basically be
» the beginning of organ replication.
I agree. If we see a press release that Aderans is starting phase 3 trials, we may all have something to celebrate. For now we shouldn’t get our hopes up too high.
Yes, Jerry Cooley was principal investigator for Phase II trials for ICX-TRC.
In fact, I emailed him once because of it. And he was kind enough to reply.
Iron_Man, once again, you are a tin-head!!
I said that ICX-Pro failed Phase III trials. ICX-Pro!!! Can you read?? Not ICX-TRC!!
Pro was the skin-healing product.
» » » I didn’t know that the good doctor Jerry “hair cloning breakthrough”
» » » Cooley was an ICX advisor. Makes sense.
»
» By the way - in this press release, it has been the 1st time Intercytex
» mentioned Dr. Jerry Cooley - including other well-known names:
» ----------------
» Principal Investigator for the forthcoming trials will be Dr Jerry
» Cooley (Head of the Carolina Dermatology Hair Center) who said “Having
» spent the last three years working closely with Intercytex [since May 2001]
» on clinical development of follicular cell implantation, it is extremely
» rewarding to see that TrichoCyte [later “ICX”] is progressing towards the
» next key stage of its product development.”
» Source: http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/pr2004/2004-05-06/
» ----------------
» Iron_Man, once again, you are a tin-head!!
» I said that ICX-Pro failed Phase III trials. ICX-Pro!!! Can you read?? Not
» ICX-TRC!!
» Pro was the skin-healing product.
Bull****! Can you read??
Source: http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/2009/2009-02-23/
ICX-PRO (later branded as Cyzact®) is a product for the treatment of venous leg ulcers - NOT for skin-healing!
Intercytex’s product for skin-healing is called “ICX-SKN”.
Anyway, although ICX-PRO (Cyzact) “failed” in Phase III trails, it seems it has NOT “failed” in mind of others, because others bought ICX-PRO (Cyzact):
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/2010/2010-01-21/
… but they didn’t buy “ICX-TRC” - the reason you can find posts above.
So please explain, Spanish Dude, what has a product for “treatment of venous leg ulcers” (ICX-PRO) and its clinical trails to do with clinical trails of “cell-based hair regeneration treatment”?
You mean, Aderans could fail in a Phase III trail too, like Intercytex did with ICX-PRO?
Aderans KNOWS very well what happend with Intercytex, its products and its trails. Believe me, Aderans is NOT interested to “fail”. They even do not have the time to “fail”. 
IMHO - a comparison between Intercytex and Aderans, is simply ridiculously … 
A comparison between Dr. Coen Gho and Aderans - is it ridiculously too?
-
First I said that ICX-Pro failed Phase III. You said that “this is bullshït”. It is not. You confused ICX-Pro and ICX-TRC. You are a tinhead.
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Then I said that ICX-Pro is a skin-healing product. You said that this is bullshít. It is not. A venous leg ulcer is a skin wound. So, ICX-Pro is a skin healing product indeed. You, once again, prove to be a tin-head.
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I said that ICX-Pro failed in Phase III. You cast doubt on it. But the truth is that ICX-Pro didn’t achieve closure of the wounds as expected, and ICX went bankrupt. Now they are selling the company for cheap. Once again, you are a tinhead.
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I commented on the failure of ICX-Pro, to show an example, that Phase II success doesn’t mean Phase III success. And FYI, PRO is cell-based too. But from this, you want to start a flame war. Again, you are a tinhead.
You are a tinhead, who keeps posting links and links, that you don’t even understand.
» » Iron_Man, once again, you are a tin-head!!
» » I said that ICX-Pro failed Phase III trials. ICX-Pro!!! Can you read??
» Not
» » ICX-TRC!!
» » Pro was the skin-healing product.
»
» Bull****! Can you read??
» Source: http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/2009/2009-02-23/
» ICX-PRO (later branded as Cyzact®) is a product for the
» treatment of venous leg ulcers - NOT for
» skin-healing!
» Intercytex’s product for skin-healing is called “ICX-SKN”.
»
» Anyway, although ICX-PRO (Cyzact) “failed” in Phase III trails, it seems
» it has NOT “failed” in mind of others, because others bought ICX-PRO
» (Cyzact):
» http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/2010/2010-01-21/
»
» … but they didn’t buy “ICX-TRC” - the reason you can find posts above.
»
» So please explain, Spanish Dude, what has a product for “treatment of
» venous leg ulcers” (ICX-PRO) and its clinical trails to do with clinical
» trails of “cell-based hair regeneration treatment”?
»
» You mean, Aderans could fail in a Phase III trail too, like Intercytex did
» with ICX-PRO?
»
» Aderans KNOWS very well what happend with Intercytex, its products and its
» trails. Believe me, Aderans is NOT interested to “fail”. They even do not
» have the time to “fail”.
»
» IMHO - a comparison between Intercytex and Aderans, is simply ridiculously
» …
»
» A comparison between Dr. Coen Gho and Aderans - is it ridiculously too?
» You are a tinhead, who keeps posting links and links, that you don’t even
» understand.
I think, YOU do not understand the difference between the products “ICX-PRO” and “ICX-SKN”.
ICX-PRO
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/woundcare/icxpro/
ICX-SKN
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/woundcare/icxskn/
You said ICX-PRO is for skin-healing.
So where is the difference between “skin” (organ) and “chronic wounds”?
Sorry, Spanish Dude for the links, but “linking” means “referring” to a SOURCE of information. And the accurate source for information about Intercytex related products is “Intercytex” and NOT “Spanish Dude”; because “Spanish Dude” do not know the difference between “skin” and “wound”. So he is not a accurate tool for information. 
For example:
Iron Man shot with a gun a big hole into Spanish Dude’s knee. After that, Spanish Dude is thinking he has a big problem with his SKIN onto his knee, so he is using “ICX-PRO” for skin-healing; so he is thinking, that is the best way to get rid of his big hole onto his knee.
I really think you have a mental condition. Get help. No offence.
PRO and SKIN are both very simmilar products. Both are for skin repair, skin healing of wounds. Each one is designed for a different type of wound. Thats all. But basically both are the same.
And I am done with you, as I see you are a troll, who likes to entangle and inflate the discussions.
again, get help.
» Both are for skin repair, skin healing of wounds.
“Skin” healing of wounds?
So you think e.g. a muscle is “skin”? :surprised:
BOTH products are for skin repair??
So if they are sooo very similar, as you claim, why did they develop TWO different products?
Ah, I know - BOTH are for skin-healing:
One is for skin-healing for the skin of your a** and the other one is for skin-healing of the foreskin of you penis - right?
Thanks for your explanation, Spanish Dude! 
p.s. - @Spanish Dude, try to figure out the difference between the terms “skin” and different types of “tissue”.
Are there different types of e.g. human tissue?
This question is an IMPORTANT point regarding the two patents of Dr. Gho and Aderans: What is the difference between “Bioabsorbable Scaffold” and “Extracellular Matrix” - and what for are these things? 
» This question is an IMPORTANT point regarding the two patents of Dr. Gho
» and Aderans: What is the difference between “Bioabsorbable Scaffold” and
» “Extracellular Matrix” - and what for are these things?
Science never progresses in a vacuum. One researchers discoveries are always founded upon the ideas of those who preceded them. Gho was the first to use stem cells from plucked hair for HM. In fact, he patented the idea many years ago.
ARI’s patent uses plucked hair, building upon Gho’s original ideas. However, their method is much different. They use Gho’s cells, plus dermal cell component within a scaffold. This groups the cells and allows them to clump, which creates a more consistently good signaling environment.
Gho’s technique is a little different. He uses the plucked hair cells along with cells from the surrounding tissue in the follicle that holds the hair. The main differences between his technique and ARI is he uses a slightly different cellular mixture, and he does not provide a structure for the cells to group once inserted into the body.
As far as ARI’s study, Gho found out early on it’s difficult to get consistent results, and he struggled unsuccessfully for years adjusting his protocol attempting to obtain the necessary consistency to bring the product to market.
Along came ICX who pretty much retraced Gho’s work and went no further (other than their proto technology, which will probably not see the light of this decade).
ARI has reached the point Gho was at a decade ago. It works, but it does not work consistently. Make no mistake, getting the product to work consistently on all people is a monumental problem, as evidenced by the poor response rate in phase I. Fortunately, ARI has a strong funding source on a mission that wants to drive this product to profitability. But the scientific team is just now entering the truly difficult stage of this research. Parallel studies will greatly speed up the research, but there are no guarantees.
If ARI cannot pull this off and abandons the research, I doubt anyone will come along that can figure this out for a very long time.
ARI has done everything right and by the book. This is a serious attempt to finish Gho’s work. At this point, we can only cross our fingers that their well-staffed, well-focused, and well-funded team can pull it off.
I expect this round of phase II will not be the end of their attempt to develop a protocol they can move into phase III. Even with their parallel studies, I believe it will take additional research to get the product consistent.
The good news is, phase II will probably be successful enough that Aderans will continue to fund the research.
On an ending note directed at SD’s irrational anger over HM research progressing at about the same slow pace as research for many other common diseases–Anger will not provide the cure. Our only hope is intelligence, time, and money.
» » This question is an IMPORTANT point regarding the two patents of Dr. Gho
» » and Aderans: What is the difference between “Bioabsorbable Scaffold”
» and
» » “Extracellular Matrix” - and what for are these things?
»
» Science never progresses in a vacuum. One researchers discoveries are
» always founded upon the ideas of those who preceded them. Gho was the first
» to use stem cells from plucked hair for HM. In fact, he patented the idea
» many years ago.
»
» ARI’s patent uses plucked hair, building upon Gho’s original ideas.
» However, their method is much different. They use Gho’s cells, plus dermal
» cell component within a scaffold. This groups the cells and allows them to
» clump, which creates a more consistently good signaling environment.
»
» Gho’s technique is a little different. He uses the plucked hair cells
» along with cells from the surrounding tissue in the follicle that holds the
» hair. The main differences between his technique and ARI is he uses a
» slightly different cellular mixture, and he does not provide a structure
» for the cells to group once inserted into the body.
»
» As far as ARI’s study, Gho found out early on it’s difficult to get
» consistent results, and he struggled unsuccessfully for years adjusting his
» protocol attempting to obtain the necessary consistency to bring the
» product to market.
»
» Along came ICX who pretty much retraced Gho’s work and went no further
» (other than their proto technology, which will probably not see the light
» of this decade).
»
» ARI has reached the point Gho was at a decade ago. It works, but it does
» not work consistently. Make no mistake, getting the product to work
» consistently on all people is a monumental problem, as evidenced by the
» poor response rate in phase I. Fortunately, ARI has a strong funding source
» on a mission that wants to drive this product to profitability. But the
» scientific team is just now entering the truly difficult stage of this
» research. Parallel studies will greatly speed up the research, but there
» are no guarantees.
»
» If ARI cannot pull this off and abandons the research, I doubt anyone will
» come along that can figure this out for a very long time.
»
» ARI has done everything right and by the book. This is a serious attempt
» to finish Gho’s work. At this point, we can only cross our fingers that
» their well-staffed, well-focused, and well-funded team can pull it off.
»
» I expect this round of phase II will not be the end of their attempt to
» develop a protocol they can move into phase III. Even with their parallel
» studies, I believe it will take additional research to get the product
» consistent.
»
» The good news is, phase II will probably be successful enough that Aderans
» will continue to fund the research.
»
» On an ending note directed at SD’s irrational anger over HM research
» progressing at about the same slow pace as research for many other common
» diseases–Anger will not provide the cure. Our only hope is intelligence,
» time, and money.
Good post James Bond! I am truly shocked at the remarkable job Aderans is doing. They are obviously trying their best. Forget what I said about not believing this will happen in our life time. I said that out of flustration. The truth is I don’t know, it could go either way. Aderans really does look promising though. I would be proud if I were them. Aderans sent me a email concerning my question about wether their technology would work for regrowing eyebrows. It was really kind of them to take the time and effort to respond to me. They basically said they don’t know because they haven’t tried it yet, which to me is better than no. This means to me that it is still possible! I still need to write them a thank you letter. This means ever company has responded to my emails saying almost the same thing but Follica. I will post what Aderans said exactly later as I don’t think they will mind.
All I can say is I am greatful for Aderans.