7,267 Fue - Alvi Armani - 6 months post op

» Woo! I can’t believe that the donor area still looks as thick as before
» even after pulling out 7000 + grafts…that’s really difficult to
» believe…How’s that possible??? Can any other FUE surgeon throw some
» light on this?? Hows that possible? Remember NO Propecia here…
» :confused:
»
» I need to see the grafts placement photos for both of his
» procedures…clearly…

Atsushi,

Yes, you can see in his after photos he still has real nice density in his donor area even after 7,000+ grafts already being harvested.

Burberry is another case where he has had 7,000+ grafts harvested by Dr. Armani and he still has additional grafts remaining.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-73219-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

» “One thing about Armani is that they very rarely post videos, none of this
» would have been an issue had they posted a video”
»
» I agree every clinic now should be showing comb through videos. Forget
» pics!

Duck, I have posted videos of my result from Dr. Armani here

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-65202.html#p65202

We also have numerous videos on our various websites

http://www.alviarmanihairtransplants.com/results/hair-transplant-video.aspx

» » Woo! I can’t believe that the donor area still looks as thick as before
» » even after pulling out 7000 + grafts…that’s really difficult to
» » believe…How’s that possible??? Can any other FUE surgeon throw some
» » light on this?? Hows that possible? Remember NO Propecia here…
» » :confused:
» »
» » I need to see the grafts placement photos for both of his
» » procedures…clearly…
»
»
» Atsushi,
»
» Yes, you can see in his after photos he still has real nice density in his
» donor area even after 7,000+ grafts already being harvested.
»
» Burberry is another case where he has had 7,000+ grafts harvested by Dr.
» Armani and he still has additional grafts remaining.
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-73219-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

Pats,

I am sorry you took my comment as a compliment…I need to see the graft placement photos (as I asked earlier) and donor extraction photos for me to believe that this guy has got 7000+ grafts…

Burberry’s donor looks really thin …checkout his album…last page…with whatever grafts you claim to have harvested on him as well…

» » » Woo! I can’t believe that the donor area still looks as thick as
» before
» » » even after pulling out 7000 + grafts…that’s really difficult to
» » » believe…How’s that possible??? Can any other FUE surgeon throw
» some
» » » light on this?? Hows that possible? Remember NO Propecia here…
» » » :confused:
» » »
» » » I need to see the grafts placement photos for both of his
» » » procedures…clearly…
» »
» »
» » Atsushi,
» »
» » Yes, you can see in his after photos he still has real nice density in
» his
» » donor area even after 7,000+ grafts already being harvested.
» »
» » Burberry is another case where he has had 7,000+ grafts harvested by
» Dr.
» » Armani and he still has additional grafts remaining.
» »
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-73219-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» Pats,
»
» I am sorry you took my comment as a compliment…I need to see the graft
» placement photos (as I asked earlier) and donor extraction photos for me to
» believe that this guy has got 7000+ grafts…
»
» Burberry’s donor looks really thin …checkout his album…last page…with
» whatever grafts you claim to have harvested on him as well…

I am sorry if you do not believe that the patient received 7,000 grafts. We are not a clinic that lie about graft count. Further, I am not sure how the grat placement photos would help you determine or confirm this. I will see what I can do.

Below is a comparison shot of Burberrys donor, on the left before any procedures, on the right after 7,000 grafts. On the right his donor hair is also clipped shorter then in his before photo.

Burberry’s donor looks very similar after his 7,000 grafts as to how he looked before he ever had a procedure.

i Agree
7000 is a lot of grafts and this patient has a very slim donor area to begin with the hair is very receded in the crown area and even on the lower area towards the neck the hair is so thin as to be almost unusable and this is in the BEFORE pics

how its possible to take 7000 grafts from the guy, much less as you say take them with him looking almost the same…is extremely difficult to believe

given your clinics willingness to post almost dark in the shad after shots of the patient, I am beginning to think something is very wrong with this whole scenario

» i Agree
» 7000 is a lot of grafts and this patient has a very slim donor area to
» begin with the hair is very receded in the crown area and even on the lower
» area towards the neck the hair is so thin as to be almost unusable and this
» is in the BEFORE pics
»
» how its possible to take 7000 grafts from the guy, much less as you say
» take them with him looking almost the same…is extremely
» difficult to believe

Burberry had average donor, he has documented all 3 of his surgeries including graft amounts and post op photo each time in this very forum. I ask you to find a more documented case then his.

I am sure you have followed his progress and postings, so the fact that we were able to harvest 7,000+ grafts from his donor region should not be “shocking” to you. It has been very well documented from the beginning.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/personal_journal-pj-522.html

Here are some additional photos of this patient’s donor after having 7,267 grafts harvested.



Pats,

They are referring to HD comb-through videos clearly showing individual hairs throughout the entire scalp in crisp lighting. Please reference H&W, Bisanga, Shapiro and others.

Does your clinic have 1 of these?

amazing result. donor look very thick after taking 7000 grafts. but anyone tell me that what is the limitation of donor area i mean how many grafts average donor area person can use ?

» amazing result. donor look very thick after taking 7000 grafts. but anyone
» tell me that what is the limitation of donor area i mean how many grafts
» average donor area person can use ?

This is really a question of personal preference. Ethical doctors will tell you it is not wise to exceed a 30% extraction ratio - for the average donor, that’s about 4,000 - 5,000 grafts. The reason for this is that your donor will not visibly thin much at this number.

Sure, you can extract 10,000 FUE grafts, but for the average donor that’s going to be 60%++ and your donor will look totally decimated. Take a look at Burberry’s donor, he’s had 8,000+ FUE ( I Believe) and you can judge for yourself if that’s an acceptable amount of thinning. Keep in mind how this would look grown out too and blowing in the wind.

Think if you lost 60%+ of your hair on top and how thin that would be. Now imagine that being your donor… this would not look natural, and actually I would think it was a disease and not baldness if I saw a donor that thin.

Personally, I would not want to exceed about 6,500 grafts at the absolute maximum with my average donor. Really, I should not be going over 5,500. I have not had work done.

» » amazing result. donor look very thick after taking 7000 grafts. but
» anyone
» » tell me that what is the limitation of donor area i mean how many
» grafts
» » average donor area person can use ?
»
»
» This is really a question of personal preference. Ethical doctors will
» tell you it is not wise to exceed a 30% extraction ratio - for the average
» donor, that’s about 4,000 - 5,000 grafts. The reason for this is that your
» donor will not visibly thin much at this number.
»
» Sure, you can extract 10,000 FUE grafts, but for the average donor that’s
» going to be 60%++ and your donor will look totally decimated. Take a look
» at Burberry’s donor, he’s had 8,000+ FUE ( I Believe) and you can judge for
» yourself if that’s an acceptable amount of thinning. Keep in mind how this
» would look grown out too and blowing in the wind.
»
» Think if you lost 60%+ of your hair on top and how thin that would be.
» Now imagine that being your donor… this would not look natural, and
» actually I would think it was a disease and not baldness if I saw a donor
» that thin.
»
» Personally, I would not want to exceed about 6,500 grafts at the absolute
» maximum with my average donor. Really, I should not be going over 5,500.
» I have not had work done.

Gunther, I respect what you are saying, Burberry has had many many grafts extracted, but do you really think his donor area looks abnormal? I have spoken with Burberry about this and nobody can ever guess he had work done.




If you think this guys donor area nobody can guess he had work done, I mean
it looks like his side hair has been eaten by some type of infestation, its pretty much gone

You clinics who stretch the truth to make yourselves look good amaze me, and your doc is one of the good guys

Pats,

I would not go as far as Burberry did with the FUE only extractions because I don’t think it would suit me well. It’s not the ratio of Donor:Scalp transplanting which I feel would look natural on me.

However, I am very happy for Burberry that he likes this look. I think for some it’s exactly what they are looking for, and I respect that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m happy that Burberry is happy, because after all the work that’s the end goal, right?

One thing to consider also is the size of one’s donor relative to their recipient area. For example, one who expects to never progress past a NW4 will have a much larger donor and smaller area to implant in than a NW7, for example. Therefore, 5,000 FUE would have a greater impact (and less donor impact) on the NW4 than the 7.

» Pats,
»
» I would not go as far as Burberry did with the FUE only extractions
» because I don’t think it would suit me well. It’s not the ratio of
» Donor:Scalp transplanting which I feel would look natural on me.
»
» However, I am very happy for Burberry that he likes this look. I think
» for some it’s exactly what they are looking for, and I respect that. I
» guess what I’m saying is I’m happy that Burberry is happy, because after
» all the work that’s the end goal, right?
»
» One thing to consider also is the size of one’s donor relative to their
» recipient area. For example, one who expects to never progress past a NW4
» will have a much larger donor and smaller area to implant in than a NW7,
» for example. Therefore, 5,000 FUE would have a greater impact (and less
» donor impact) on the NW4 than the 7.

Very true Gunther, a patient’s balding pattern as well as the size of his donor area will indeed make a difference on how many grafts can be obtained.

I also think there is no way anyone can tell this patient had a FUE procedure, and this is after 7,200+ grafts.

»

» » Pats,
» »
» » I would not go as far as Burberry did with the FUE only extractions
» » because I don’t think it would suit me well. It’s not the ratio of
» » Donor:Scalp transplanting which I feel would look natural on me.
» »
» » However, I am very happy for Burberry that he likes this look. I think
» » for some it’s exactly what they are looking for, and I respect that. I
» » guess what I’m saying is I’m happy that Burberry is happy, because
» after
» » all the work that’s the end goal, right?
» »
» » One thing to consider also is the size of one’s donor relative to their
» » recipient area. For example, one who expects to never progress past a
» NW4
» » will have a much larger donor and smaller area to implant in than a
» NW7,
» » for example. Therefore, 5,000 FUE would have a greater impact (and
» less
» » donor impact) on the NW4 than the 7.
»
» Very true Gunther, a patient’s balding pattern as well as the size of his
» donor area will indeed make a difference on how many grafts can be
» obtained.

ya thats why guys who are NW5 can get , according to you
5000,7000, even 10,000 grafts, and look like they hardly had anything done

» I also think there is no way anyone can tell this patient had a FUE
» procedure, and this is after 7,200+ grafts.
»
» »

well if you would take a pic in bright light, instead of the dark
maybe we can all insert our opinions on that

does this help?

Can you make the after photos darker so we just see black rectangles?

I don’t ask if you can make the before photos brighter cause that’s impossible.

» does this help?
»
»

HA, it sure does :slight_smile: