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» It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this…
» Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!

Yes, all have a good festive season,

I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as if you are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first time you’ve heard of the idea.

BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.

» » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this…
» » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
»
» Yes, all have a good festive season,
»
» I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as if you
» are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you
» collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true
» documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first time
» you’ve heard of the idea.
»
» BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say
» that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more
» people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the
» moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.

I think the problem is that nobody has shown what strip donor looks like when the hair is cut so short. This could be a first. It is disturbing seeing that scar, I mean ouch !

» » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this…
» » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
»
» Yes, all have a good festive season,
»
» I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as if you
» are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you
» collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true
» documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first time
» you’ve heard of the idea.
»
» BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say
» that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more
» people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the
» moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.
w

we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a spade a spade, call strip strip…

also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be 20 inches long, its horrendous

that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen strip before, but this scar is not typical by any means

» » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this…
» » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
» »
» » Yes, all have a good festive season,
» »
» » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as if
» you
» » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do
» you
» » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true
» » documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first time
» » you’ve heard of the idea.
» »
» » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say
» » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then
» more
» » people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over
» the
» » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.
» w
»
» we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a
» spade a spade, call strip strip…
»
» also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be 20
» inches long, its horrendous
»
» that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen strip
» before, but this scar is not typical by any means

How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven’t seen the scar before :wink: And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, that’s 51cm’s! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie but you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening.

» » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on
» this…
» » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
» » »
» » » Yes, all have a good festive season,
» » »
» » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as if
» » you
» » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do
» » you
» » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true
» » » documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first
» time
» » » you’ve heard of the idea.
» » »
» » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to
» say
» » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then
» » more
» » » people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over
» » the
» » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.
» » w
» »
» » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a
» » spade a spade, call strip strip…
» »
» » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be
» 20
» » inches long, its horrendous
» »
» » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen
» strip
» » before, but this scar is not typical by any means
»
» How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven’t seen the
» scar before :wink: And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, that’s
» 51cm’s! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie but
» you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening.

from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20 inches long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I just measured on my own scalp a similar area

I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,they dont leave scars like that, thats ridiculous

yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the biggest you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites, I have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board

» » » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on
» » this…
» » » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
» » » »
» » » » Yes, all have a good festive season,
» » » »
» » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s as
» if
» » » you
» » » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information
» do
» » » you
» » » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true
» » » » documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the first
» » time
» » » » you’ve heard of the idea.
» » » »
» » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to
» » say
» » » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront
» then
» » » more
» » » » people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels
» over
» » » the
» » » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.
» » » w
» » »
» » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a
» » » spade a spade, call strip strip…
» » »
» » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must
» be
» » 20
» » » inches long, its horrendous
» » »
» » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen
» » strip
» » » before, but this scar is not typical by any means
» »
» » How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven’t seen the
» » scar before :wink: And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches,
» that’s
» » 51cm’s! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie
» but
» » you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening.
»
» from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is
» horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20 inches
» long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I just
» measured on my own scalp a similar area
»
» I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,they dont leave
» scars like that, thats ridiculous
»
» yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the biggest
» you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites, I
» have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board

moron?! Classy argument.

I am not arguing it is not long, what do you expect for 6000 grafts. Instead of sensationalising and changing figures why not you show how much bigger it is by you posting all the 5,6,7000 scars you have seen. Like boris said, it would be interesting for Jotronic to input. The point I was making is I doubt there are many better documented cases shown on the forums by a clinic, like marco said, respect to BHR for showing what is real and if it’s not for you then do not do it. Just seems to me some people can’t take reality. I’ve had a hair transplant and much fewer grafts than this man and I wish I could have my hair that short without the scar showing.

» » » » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on
» » » this…
» » » » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas!
» » » » »
» » » » » Yes, all have a good festive season,
» » » » »
» » » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it’s
» as
» » if
» » » » you
» » » » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information
» » do
» » » » you
» » » » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a
» true
» » » » » documented case of a hair transplant and it’s as if it’s the
» first
» » » time
» » » » » you’ve heard of the idea.
» » » » »
» » » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not
» to
» » » say
» » » » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront
» » then
» » » » more
» » » » » people wouldn’t be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels
» » over
» » » » the
» » » » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before.
» » » » w
» » » »
» » » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call
» a
» » » » spade a spade, call strip strip…
» » » »
» » » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it
» must
» » be
» » » 20
» » » » inches long, its horrendous
» » » »
» » » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen
» » » strip
» » » » before, but this scar is not typical by any means
» » »
» » » How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven’t seen
» the
» » » scar before :wink: And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches,
» » that’s
» » » 51cm’s! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a
» newbie
» » but
» » » you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening.
» »
» » from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is
» » horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20
» inches
» » long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I
» just
» » measured on my own scalp a similar area
» »
» » I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,they dont
» leave
» » scars like that, thats ridiculous
» »
» » yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the
» biggest
» » you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites,
» I
» » have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board
»
» moron?! Classy argument.
»
» I am not arguing it is not long, what do you expect for 6000 grafts.
» Instead of sensationalising and changing figures why not you show how much
» bigger it is by you posting all the 5,6,7000 scars you have seen. Like
» boris said, it would be interesting for Jotronic to input. The point I was
» making is I doubt there are many better documented cases shown on the
» forums by a clinic, like marco said, respect to BHR for showing what is
» real and if it’s not for you then do not do it. Just seems to me some
» people can’t take reality. I’ve had a hair transplant and much fewer
» grafts than this man and I wish I could have my hair that short without
» the scar showing.

who is to say the scar wont stretch

personally i think guys who get strip are nuts

» personally i think guys who get strip are nuts.

But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a little nuts, then color me nutty.

My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a few times with regards to my input.

Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually looked into this.

I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago. Since then, dozens of others have done the same.

This is five weeks post-op from numero uno with Dr. Wong. Remember, I had two previous donor scars, one above the other, from two surgeries with Dr. Norris in the early nineties.

Here I am only TWO DAYS after my second with Dr. Wong…

One month after #2

And of course right before #3

My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these forums wouldn’t spot something like this on the street. And most definitely NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it today…

» » personally i think guys who get strip are nuts.
»
» But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a
» little nuts, then color me nutty.
»
»
» My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a
» few times with regards to my input.
»
» Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and
» from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually
» looked into this.
»
» I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago.
» Since then, dozens of others have done the same.
»
» This is five weeks post-op from numero uno with Dr. Wong. Remember, I had
» two previous donor scars, one above the other, from two surgeries with Dr.
» Norris in the early nineties.
»
»
»
» Here I am only TWO DAYS after my second with Dr. Wong…
»
»
»
» One month after #2
»
»
»
» And of course right before #3
»
»
»
»
»
» My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of
» evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure
» because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these
» forums wouldn’t spot something like this on the street. And most definitely
» NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for
» myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved
» and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it
» today…
»
»
»

amazing how the side hair on the before seems much thinner than the side hair on the after on yours

you have very healthy side donor hair
how many grafts did you get total

Hangin,

It’s because of two reasons actually. The sides were brought forward in my second session. My temple points and the sides in general were severely receded so Dr. Wong rebuilt not just the top but the sides as well. The second reason, for the generally thinner look overall is because my hair was a bit damp in the before photo. Not wet, just damp and it may have been a bit shorter as well.

» Hangin,
»
» It’s because of two reasons actually. The sides were brought forward in my
» second session. My temple points and the sides in general were severely
» receded so Dr. Wong rebuilt not just the top but the sides as well. The
» second reason, for the generally thinner look overall is because my hair
» was a bit damp in the before photo. Not wet, just damp and it may have
» been a bit shorter as well.

ah ok
how many grafts how many sessions or times did u go in\

Seriously, do you guys have to take pain killers for months in order to get over this? All this looks very painful to me.

Hangin,

Because of my old work Dr. Wong was limited to only 2406 grafts first time around. Each subsequent round was only possible because of my excellent laxity. My donor hair is average at best. Each of my sessions was between 2400 and 2500 each. Nowadays guys with good laxity can get 6000 to 7000 in two sessions, and rare cases…very rare cases can get that number in one. Had I been a virgin scalp I very well may have been the first 4000 plus case for H&W six years ago. You have to know the history of megasessions to grasp the significance of my case as the largest cases back then were 2000 to 2500 for virgin scalps.

Ab,

Painkillers for months? If that were the case no strip clinic would be in business because everyone would be sharing their horrific pain stories. My first two bad surgeries with Dr. Norris were Hell but that wasn’t even for months. With these latest three I barely needed a Tylenol 3 the night of my surgeries much less the subsequent days after my procedures.

» Hangin,
»
» Because of my old work Dr. Wong was limited to only 2406 grafts first time
» around. Each subsequent round was only possible because of my excellent
» laxity. My donor hair is average at best. Each of my sessions was between
» 2400 and 2500 each. Nowadays guys with good laxity can get 6000 to 7000 in
» two sessions, and rare cases…very rare cases can get that number in one.
» Had I been a virgin scalp I very well may have been the first 4000 plus
» case for H&W six years ago. You have to know the history of megasessions
» to grasp the significance of my case as the largest cases back then were
» 2000 to 2500 for virgin scalps.

hi jo
I am still curious I cannot determine your total number of grafts to achieve what you have now
also was your crown bald, I think it was, by your before pics, Iwould be curious to see the shot from the back

» » personally i think guys who get strip are nuts.
»
» But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a
» little nuts, then color me nutty.
»
»
» My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a
» few times with regards to my input.
»
» Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and
» from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually
» looked into this.
»
» I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago.
» Since then, dozens of others have done the same…

»
» My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of
» evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure
» because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these
» forums wouldn’t spot something like this on the street. And most definitely
» NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for
» myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved
» and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it
» today…

Jo,

No problem you jumping in here, having experience in larger strips opposed to reading about it makes a large difference. I am a little surprised to the controversy, this has been posted on many others and little to no comment regarding the scar, moreover concentrating on the recipient and the healing and the fact he can keep his hair short; maybe the picture is too clear or the hair too short so it shows it at it’s worst, and that has contributed to the attention.

We stand by the result and the technique used, the strip was removed within a safety zone, he had good laxity and density and importantly the strip was not removed aggressively to reach the numbers, the numbers came as a result of his hair characteristics. His healing was normal in the donor, after the initial few days and the suture removal, no need for pain killers for months or even days; as for the scar stretching, he is now 9 months post op, the scalp has returned to normal and no chance it will start to stretch now. As the months go by the redness dissipates and the scalp returns to normal, this is easily hidden if you keep your hair a little longer, in this case he preferred to keep it short.

An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor healing he is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his next procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair within his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair unnoticeable to the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his coverage over the crown.

Another aspect I think this post has shown is the need of the forums and the clinics especially to ensure that pictures like this are published to educate the members as to the basic of hair transplant. Going into this with your eyes open is important as it is not the easiest decision in the first place and having knowledge will prepare you for the procedure, post op care and the long term.

Hangin,

I suggest you look at the website I started almost six years ago.

This is my personal site. I started it about two years before I started working for H&W. It shows all of my progress via photos and commentary. The third session does not have as much documentation but the new version will. Also, I noticed my “updates” page link is broken so disregard that. It shows my hair grown out from #3 and all the different hair styles I’ve played with. You can also learn more at my other site…

www.hairtransplanttv.com

I have not updated this site for several months due to being overwhelmed with other projects but some of the videos I posted are quite valuable.

» An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor healing he
» is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his next
» procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair within
» his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair unnoticeable to
» the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his coverage over
» the crown.

Is there a problem with using the strip and FUE in a single procedure. Thanks

First off, Jotronic, you have a hell of a good job done, incredible.
Hanginthere. I am sorry to say, but you have created a big hussle cause you have little idea of this topic. I think you should read a little bit more and do + research before putting the reputation of any clinic on the line, with such silly comments which at the end only show your lack of knowledge on the topic.
I think as vic and others have pointed out, its an excellent job considering the grafts and his hair length. Well done BHR for been crystal clear as always.
Cheers!

» » An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor healing
» he
» » is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his next
» » procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair within
» » his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair unnoticeable
» to
» » the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his coverage
» over
» » the crown.
»
» Is there a problem with using the strip and FUE in a single procedure.
» Thanks

» First off, Jotronic, you have a hell of a good job done, incredible.
» Hanginthere. I am sorry to say, but you have created a big hussle cause
» you have little idea of this topic. I think you should read a little bit
» more and do + research before putting the reputation of any clinic on the
» line, with such silly comments which at the end only show your lack of
» knowledge on the topic.
» I think as vic and others have pointed out, its an excellent job
» considering the grafts and his hair length. Well done BHR for been
» crystal clear as always.
» Cheers!
»
»
»
» » » An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor
» healing
» » he
» » » is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his
» next
» » » procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair
» within
» » » his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair unnoticeable
» » to
» » » the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his coverage
» » over
» » » the crown.
» »
» » Is there a problem with using the strip and FUE in a single procedure.
» » Thanks

You must realise that he was not the only person that raised some questions about the scar…

» » First off, Jotronic, you have a hell of a good job done, incredible.
» » Hanginthere. I am sorry to say, but you have created a big hussle
» cause
» » you have little idea of this topic. I think you should read a little
» bit
» » more and do + research before putting the reputation of any clinic on
» the
» » line, with such silly comments which at the end only show your lack of
» » knowledge on the topic.
» » I think as vic and others have pointed out, its an excellent job
» » considering the grafts and his hair length. Well done BHR for been
» » crystal clear as always.
» » Cheers!
» »
» »
» »
» » » » An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor
» » healing
» » » he
» » » » is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his
» » next
» » » » procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair
» » within
» » » » his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair
» unnoticeable
» » » to
» » » » the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his
» coverage
» » » over
» » » » the crown.
» » »
» » » Is there a problem with using the strip and FUE in a single
» procedure.
» » » Thanks
»
» You must realise that he was not the only person that raised some
» questions about the scar…

i did not attack the clinic
I did not say the scar was wide or a bad cut
I said this is the longest scar , I have ever seen, which is true

if any of you guys think this is untrue, please post pics of similar length scars

also i repeat I did not attack the clinics docs, I said this scar is huge, and in my opinion, disfiguring

but if the patient is happy that is all that matters
I would rather be naturally bald than have a scar from temple to temple

this board is for stating opinions
I think strip is barbaric
You think this indicates lack of knowledge on my part? This method is barbaric and guys tolerate it because they are very interested in the nice results that often result

it is not my cup of tea
if you dont agree, that is your perogative

Personally i think any strip procedure is barbaric, and unnecessary nowadays, being that FUE is widely available, it does not matter which clinic does the work…the reason i made note of this guy is because his strip scar is like 15 inches, biggest I have ever seen

why do you guys care what I think anyway

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