I’ve just taken a couple of pics of my donor, 36 hours after extraction, probably a bit early to be seeing any regrowth lol but useful nevertheless:
Nice…hope it all grows
What did Gho say about regeneration, what % grew back from the 1st HST?
Looking at the pix is it possible that hair he extracts doesnt regenerate but wht happens is he uses smaller punch 0.6mm that leaves no white dots, and gaps are negligible bc he doesnt harvest too many grafts in small ares?
Also there are % of hair that is not on surface yet so when you think abt it it could be the case that after period of time harvested area looks virgin
Did you actually see Gho or ? Should have asked him why he isnt pushing his technology a bit harder
» I’ve just taken a couple of pics of my donor, 36 hours after extraction,
» probably a bit early to be seeing any regrowth lol but useful
» nevertheless:
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» 1st
» pic
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» 2nd
» pic
Thanks. Interesting - it seems they used completely the same area again for extractions - here is a photo of your 1st procedure in Sept 2011…
What did Dr. Gho say? Is it not a little bit too early for extractions in the same area? I’m somewhat surprised.
Anyway, it would be nice when you take photos every 1-2 days for the coming 10 days (if possible), because normally it’s easy to distinguish between the longer existing hairs in the extraction area (the not extracted grafts) and very SHORT hairs = the regenerated hairs.
Did they take a photo of the shaved extraction area before they started with extractions?
btw- they again injected the grafts in the recipient area with syringes?
Why cant you do 2 x 2000+ graft sessions and finish it off,
it baffles me since im sure he could extract 2000 in one go, even NW7 can get that many…
its pain to go for 700 grafts only and you have heaps of donor untouched
» Why cant you do 2 x 2000+ graft sessions and finish it off,
» it baffles me since im sure he could extract 2000 in one go …
Guess why his 1st procedure (700 grafts) was just a TEST procedure; furthermore, guess why no other clinic accepted him for a hair transplant.
OK well first off I think it’s a positive that the same donor has been used again, if not good for me at least good to see what kind of depletion has taken place now 1400 grafts have been taken out.
On a side note something I have forgotten to mention, I had a consultation with HDC clinic about 18 months ago(the guys based in Cyprus). They used one of those special devices in London to look closely at my donor. The conclusion was that I’d probably have about 2500 grafts available if I chose a combination of FUT and FUE. This was obviously not what I wanted to hear. Having already had 1400, I’m sure I have more than 1100 left! Also Farjo clinic told me I’d need a scalp reduction and then a transplant to get any kind of decent coverage.
Anyway, I will take more photos. I have to admit that I know my previous procedure was only 6 months ago, but I’m so desperate to move forward with this than I don’t mind taking a risk and a couple of short cuts. I’m a risk taker anyway and I wasn’t going to shout out to Gho, “by the way you do know I haven’t waited the full 9 months”, he either knows too and thinks because its only 700 grafts that it won’t be a problem or he doesn’t remember the exact date of my 1st procedure.
Gho took more pics after it was shaved and before any further extractions were made and he said how great it looked, I will be asking for these photos. But I think what will be more important is the result of the donor area in the coming days and weeks, we will be able to clearly see if there is any donor growth because of these better pics.
I’ll just paste below what I said at the other forum too incase you haven’t already read it over there:
My impressions of Gho are the same as last time, what I learnt this time, was for me 700 grafts takes a long time, I started at roughly 10.45 with the extractions and finished at about 1pm. Started the recipient area after lunch at 2pm and finished at approx 6pm.
I was bleeding slightly more than normal so they said in my recipient area, which made the task much more labour intensive, possibly due to the scarring alopecia, who knows. Maybe shouldn’t have had a few drinks on Saturday night! Next time I’ll give myself 7 days of no drink before my next procedure.
One of his technicians told me they had surpassed their record by doing 2450 hst in one day recently. This kind of quantity would be theoretically impossible for me it seems, now I know what they mean when they say good donor area and no scarring etc helps with doing larger procedures more speedily.
I also asked him how many more procedures I’d need to get. He advised to go for a light coverage first, ‘natural look’ he said! (I can’t be too fussy in my situation right now, I’d take light coverage.) Anyway he continued to say that I’d need 2 or 3 more procedures. I also asked again if I could do my next procedure on 2 consecutive days, he basically said yes, but I don’t think he’d want to do more than say 1500 over 2 days because of my situation.
I also noticed there was another patient having a procedure at the same time as me, it seems in London they do two procedures on a monday and two on a tuesday now. I’m dam sure I was the only patient there on my first procedure.
I have another date pencilled in, but I need to confirm it with him.
» On a side note something I have forgotten to mention, I had a consultation
» with HDC clinic about 18 months ago(the guys based in Cyprus). They used
» one of those special devices in London to look closely at my donor. The
» conclusion was that I’d probably have about 2500 grafts available if I
» chose a combination of FUT and FUE. This was obviously not what I wanted
» to hear.
Interesting - I’ve just calculated/concluded (I was surprised) about the same, according your provided photos. It seems your (normal) donor density is not so good in general as well - I will post some pics for (hopefully) more clarification …
» Gho took more pics after it was shaved and before any further extractions
» were made and he said how great it looked, I will be asking for these
» photos. But I think what will be more important is the result of the donor
» area in the coming days and weeks, we will be able to clearly see if there
» is any donor growth because of these better pics.
Okay, based on this original photo ( “2nd pic” )…
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20treatment%20022.JPG
… I made a green grid and simply marked an area red on the left below corner/area:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/2nd-treatment-grid.jpg
What is the average ear size in men?
Answer: 6.4 cm
I compared this size with my ear size and it seems this is ~true: ~6.0 cm
So let’s simply divide the ear length into 6 equal parts to get at least a hint (just speculative!) for the number of hairs/FU’s per 1cm² - again, at least SPEKULATIVE!
Anyway, let’s see what happens within the marked area(s) during the next 10 days or so… :lookaround:
» I’ve just taken a couple of pics of my donor, 36 hours after extraction,
» probably a bit early to be seeing any regrowth lol but useful
» nevertheless:
»
» 1st
» pic
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» 2nd
» pic
hey thanks for sharing these pics. Your experiences are extremely valuable to the community. I hope we see some positive undeniable regrowth pretty soon… please do keep us updated regularly…
best of luck and a speedy recovery
Thanks!
Btw Ironman to help your analysis, the shaved area is 2.5cm and above the ear where it steps up that is 3cm, but it quickly reduces back to 2.5cm and even lower when going further to the right.
Also the total area is roughly 29cm from start to end, give or take a couple of cm. So I think the total shaved area is roughly 72cm2
» Thanks!
»
» Btw Ironman to help your analysis, the shaved area is 2.5cm and above the
» ear where it steps up that is 3cm, but it quickly reduces back to 2.5cm and
» even lower when going further to the right.
Sure, this helps.
The diagonal of my green squares represent about 1.41 cm. This length x2 = 2.8 cm - to estimate the width of the shaved area. So my squares doesn’t represent 1 cm² - meaning, they’re somewhat too small to represent 1 cm². So simply “think” them somewhat bigger according to this calculation. 
bs - it seems my green grid estimation is pretty good (accurate) - according to your EARS! 
» bs - it seems my green grid estimation is pretty good (accurate) -
» according to your EARS!
I count about ~45-50 grafts (including the wounds) within the green squares…
fileden . com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/2nd-treatment-blue-dots . jpg
Read more…
forhair . com / Articles/Hair_Loss_Density_Study . htm
Why is 2500 grafts not good? Im confused…
and booked in with gho for may
Also GC, how long do you have red scalp after the surgery? Im a bit worried about work. Can only book one week off.
» Also GC, how long do you have red scalp after the surgery? Im a bit worried
» about work. Can only book one week off.
1 week will be fine.
About the 2500 grafts, the reason that wasn’t good is because I need more than that. The other doctors were basically saying this is the most I can have and then I’ve run out of donor. See what I’m saying? I needed closer to 4000, so I’ve already had 1400, I’m going to need another 2500 I reckon to get it looking okish. I just hope Gho can do it! He says he can!
» About the 2500 grafts, the reason that wasn’t good is because I need more
» than that. The other doctors were basically saying this is the most I can
» have and then I’ve run out of donor.
What did the other doctors say concerning your donor area in general?
How did they diagnosed your donor area in general (WHY such a bad situation etc)?
Your old pre-op photo (before your 1st procedure)
» » About the 2500 grafts, the reason that wasn’t good is because I need
» more
» » than that. The other doctors were basically saying this is the most I
» can
» » have and then I’ve run out of donor.
»
» What did the other doctors say concerning your donor area in general?
» How did they diagnosed your donor area in general (WHY such a bad situation
» etc)?
»
» Your old pre-op photo (before your 1st procedure)
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded/4246_image4.jpg
Well the guy at HDC said there was lots of 1 and 2 hair grafts. The quality of my donor hair is ok, but just not enough of it. He guessed they could extract 2500, but I knew that wouldn’t be enough. Dr Farjo on the other hand, I’m guessing you know who he is… he wouldn’t have suggested I have a scalp reduction if my donor wasn’t enough to cover the bald area, that I’m sure of.
Both Farjo and HDC were concerned the alopecia could start up again with a hair transplant, so this was also an issue.
edit: BTW I used that pre-op photo of the donor which I sent to Gho by email because it looked quite good and I wanted to give the impression I had a good donor. I don’t think I have bad donor, but it’s not great either, just that the area that needs to be transplanted is so damn large.
Thought I’d take another pic of the donor, I’m bordering on the obsessive now, but I don’t think you’ll complain too much some how.
I put this side by side with yesterdays picture. The stubble hair is looking already twice as long as yesterday and more importantly I’m sure I can see a few hairs trying to emerge through those yellow spots. I was focusing around that really red bloody spot as a guide.
» Thought I’d take another pic of the donor, I’m bordering on the obsessive
» now, but I don’t think you’ll complain too much some how.
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» 2
» days after - donor
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» I put this side by side with yesterdays picture. The stubble hair is
» looking already twice as long as yesterday and more importantly I’m sure I
» can see a few hairs trying to emerge through those yellow spots. I was
» focusing around that really red bloody spot as a guide.
I think I can see a few hairs sprouting. Keep taking pictures of the same area everyday 
Kind of relying on your updates at the moment mate, so far ive just put the deposit money down, not the full amount.
» I think I can see a few hairs sprouting. Keep taking pictures of the same
» area everyday 
Kind of relying on your updates at the moment mate, so far
» ive just put the deposit money down, not the full amount.
Yea no worries, just make sure you do the same when you have yours done. When are you booked for? You live 20 mins-ish from London did you say? How many are you having done?