2000 grafts FUE, 7 months after procedure, Prohairclinic

» » » you keep saying this about fue and the hairs are more but you never
» » prove
» » » it, can you show us how many hairs were in the 2000 grafts in this
» » person?
» »
» » Think about a strip being taken out. It contains a mixture of 1,2,3,4
» » hair grafts. What is in the strip is in the strip, nothing more or
» » nothing less.
» »
» » Think about an FUE doc picking grafts individually from a donor area
» about
» » 3 times as big as the strip. Logically there will be many more 2,3 and
» 4
» » hair grafts to choose from, some call it cherry picking.
» »
» » It is a no brainer to know that the FUE doc gets much more hair per
» graft
» » if he desires.
» » I dont even believe any FUT doc will dispute this fact.
»
» to you it is a no brainer but to anyone else that is thinking of having a
» transplant its a big issue that you push as a benefit but do nothing to
» back it up with facts.
»
» you didn’t answer my question either, how many hairs did this guy have
» done, 2000 grafts is how many hairs; and if you are so sure about this
» show us your study to prove it, you must have done one otherwise you
» wouldn’t know it was true.

It does not need a study to prove something logical.

When the strip is cut out, it contains a set number of 1,2,3,4 hair grafts, it can not be changed, unless splitting occurs, but that only makes the grafts smaller and does not change the total number of hairs.

The FUE donor area is much much larger then a strip. Logically the larger area contains many more 3 and 4 hair grafts. Experienced FUE docs can cherry pick these larger grafts. This means that proportionally there will be a higher average hair per graft for FUE.

I hope this clears things up.

» » » » you keep saying this about fue and the hairs are more but you never
» » » prove
» » » » it, can you show us how many hairs were in the 2000 grafts in this
» » » person?
» » »
» » » Think about a strip being taken out. It contains a mixture of
» 1,2,3,4
» » » hair grafts. What is in the strip is in the strip, nothing more or
» » » nothing less.
» » »
» » » Think about an FUE doc picking grafts individually from a donor area
» » about
» » » 3 times as big as the strip. Logically there will be many more 2,3
» and
» » 4
» » » hair grafts to choose from, some call it cherry picking.
» » »
» » » It is a no brainer to know that the FUE doc gets much more hair per
» » graft
» » » if he desires.
» » » I dont even believe any FUT doc will dispute this fact.
» »
» » to you it is a no brainer but to anyone else that is thinking of having
» a
» » transplant its a big issue that you push as a benefit but do nothing to
» » back it up with facts.
» »
» » you didn’t answer my question either, how many hairs did this guy have
» » done, 2000 grafts is how many hairs; and if you are so sure about this
» » show us your study to prove it, you must have done one otherwise you
» » wouldn’t know it was true.
»
» It does not need a study to prove something logical.
»
» When the strip is cut out, it contains a set number of 1,2,3,4 hair
» grafts, it can not be changed, unless splitting occurs, but that only
» makes the grafts smaller and does not change the total number of hairs.
»
» The FUE donor area is much much larger then a strip. Logically the larger
» area contains many more 3 and 4 hair grafts. Experienced FUE docs can
» cherry pick these larger grafts. This means that proportionally there
» will be a higher average hair per graft for FUE.
»
» I hope this clears things up.

yes but isnt the transection rate much higher with FUE, than with strip

why are most of the wow transplant results, mostly strip, as opposed to FUE

» Maybe no toppix but there is definitely something there to build up the
» volume. It’s impossible to get this kind of volume and density using
» 2000g. No way!

i do not think there is trickery however there may not be as much density as it appears, first the donor hair is extremely dense and thick which helps, but
they do not show the hair parted, it is easy to do a combover and have sparse hair underneath

but i agree there is somehow a lot more density to the eye than would be possible, you would think, with only 2000 grafts, even if they grafts contained more hairs per graft than a normal strip would

if you do an extreme closeup of the photo it appears as if the hair is very much half there in much of that area but there is also a large area which appears very thick, I would be interested to see the hair wet…and combed to each side or parted in the middle

» Wow that s a lot of hair for 2000 grafts!

Yea. Way too many, IMO. IMO, there is no way that is an actual representation of the true density of this man’s hair after only 2000 grafts.

You can be rest assured you won’t see photographs of this man’s procedure, before and after and grown out, that are indicative of my photographs. These photos are of different lighting, and his hair was clearly buzzed in the before shots and grown out in the after shots.

Let’s see some photos like these from this clinic on this patient.

http://rbcdsu.blogspot.com/2008_02_17_archive.html

» » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in his
» » hair?
»
» Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.

bverotti how can I contact you? I want to get some consultation from your clinic. I am in the process of seriously researching a clinic that will fit me best.

thanks.

» » » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in
» his
» » » hair?
» »
» » Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.
»
» bverotti how can I contact you? I want to get some consultation from your
» clinic. I am in the process of seriously researching a clinic that will
» fit me best.
»
» thanks.

You can contact me at bverotti@hotmail.com


Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions

what is this patients treatment history ? And did he just start minoxidil and or propecia ?

» » » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in
» » his
» » » » hair?
» » »
» » » Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.
» »
» » bverotti how can I contact you? I want to get some consultation from
» your
» » clinic. I am in the process of seriously researching a clinic that will
» » fit me best.
» »
» » thanks.
»
» You can contact me at bverotti@hotmail.com

» » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in his
» » hair?
»
» Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.
»
»

The pictures may be unedited, but IMO this is not a true representation of the thickness that 2000 grafts produces.

Pictures can be every deceiving when it comes to true representation of density. I can take photos of my head under certain conditions and make it appear to be much thicker than it actually is.

The board is waiting on you to post WET, up close photos of this man’s hair in the transplanted area.

We want photos like the ones in my blog…

http://rbcdsu.blogspot.com/2008_02_17_archive.html

Post up close, clear, photos like mine, and also post some after photos of the mans hair WET and combed back.

The forum is waiting…

» I don’t know what’s more amazing. The workmanship or the price.
» .

Hey Rev, how could that be that cheap. How much do you think Dr. Umar would charge for 3000 grafts??? Thanks!

» » » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in
» his
» » » hair?
» »
» » Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.
» »
» »
»
»
» The pictures may be unedited, but IMO this is not a true representation of
» the thickness that 2000 grafts produces.
»
» Pictures can be every deceiving when it comes to true representation of
» density. I can take photos of my head under certain conditions and make it
» appear to be much thicker than it actually is.
»
» The board is waiting on you to post WET, up close photos of this man’s
» hair in the transplanted area.
»
» We want photos like the ones in my blog…
»
» http://rbcdsu.blogspot.com/2008_02_17_archive.html
»
»
» Post up close, clear, photos like mine, and also post some after photos of
» the mans hair WET and combed back.
»
» The forum is waiting…

Well, I dont have any wet look pics. Wet pics are nice, but in daily live you count on dry hair.

What you see here is a good example of ‘an illusion of hair’. By that I mean that the patient looks like he has tons of hair, but we all know that a hair transplant does not recreate the original density.

So take it as it is : a very natural result with a very high degree of ‘illusion of hair’:slight_smile:

» » » » This is the best I have seen from your clinic. There is no toppik in
» » his
» » » » hair?
» » »
» » » Absolutely no enhacers are used, pictures are unedited.
» » »
» » »
» »
» »
» » The pictures may be unedited, but IMO this is not a true representation
» of
» » the thickness that 2000 grafts produces.
» »
» » Pictures can be every deceiving when it comes to true representation of
» » density. I can take photos of my head under certain conditions and make
» it
» » appear to be much thicker than it actually is.
» »
» » The board is waiting on you to post WET, up close photos of this man’s
» » hair in the transplanted area.
» »
» » We want photos like the ones in my blog…
» »
» » http://rbcdsu.blogspot.com/2008_02_17_archive.html
» »
» »
» » Post up close, clear, photos like mine, and also post some after photos
» of
» » the mans hair WET and combed back.
» »
» » The forum is waiting…
»
» Well, I dont have any wet look pics. Wet pics are nice, but in daily live
» you count on dry hair.
»
» What you see here is a good example of ‘an illusion of hair’. By that I
» mean that the patient looks like he has tons of hair, but we all know that
» a hair transplant does not recreate the original density.
»
» So take it as it is : a very natural result with a very high degree of
» ‘illusion of hair’:slight_smile:

That’s exactly my point. The picture is deceiving because it is not a true representation of the true density that one can expect from 2000 grafts.

That’s why you won’t post wet pictures because it will be obvious. Why would you not want prospective clients to have a true representation of the true density a certain number of grafts produces?

Again, I dont have wet hair pics of the patient. It is not our policy to make them whet their hair when they come in for pics.

Apparently the illusion of hair on this patient is doing its job because it has you assuming that we are trying to fool the readers.

The way he looks on the pics perfectly represents how he looks in real life, no more no less.

» Again, I dont have wet hair pics of the patient. It is not our policy to
» make them whet their hair when they come in for pics.
»
» Apparently the illusion of hair on this patient is doing its job because
» it has you assuming that we are trying to fool the readers.
»
» The way he looks on the pics perfectly represents how he looks in real
» life, no more no less.

I’m not assuming anything. It does fool an uneducated reader and you know it does. There is no way 2000 grafts gave him the density that your photographs are making it appear.

The bottom line is that the picture is deceiving because it does not reflect the true density one will achieve with only 2000 grafts.

It’s deceiving.

» » Again, I dont have wet hair pics of the patient. It is not our policy
» to
» » make them whet their hair when they come in for pics.
» »
» » Apparently the illusion of hair on this patient is doing its job
» because
» » it has you assuming that we are trying to fool the readers.
» »
» » The way he looks on the pics perfectly represents how he looks in real
» » life, no more no less.
»
»
» I’m not assuming anything. It does fool an uneducated reader and you know
» it does. There is no way 2000 grafts gave him the density that your
» photographs are making it appear.
»
» The bottom line is that the picture is deceiving because it does not
» reflect the true density one will achieve with only 2000 grafts.
»
» It’s deceiving.

Every HT is deceiving because that is what a HT is all about : deceiving the eye to make the illusion that there is more hair than what is actually there.:slight_smile:
BTW, if you ever visit Belgium give me a call and I will arrange a personal meeting with this guy.

»
» if you do an extreme closeup of the photo it appears as if the hair is
» very much half there in much of that area but there is also a large area
» which appears very thick, I would be interested to see the hair
» wet…and combed to each side or parted in the middle

“I would be interested to see the hair wet…and combed to each side or parted in the middle”

Don’t hold your breath on that bro. They won’t post those types of photographs and we both know the reason why.

It’s very cool that you took time to post a follow up picture, I think I was right about the V shape hairline, that’s not how I would want it for myself because it still leaves the forehead kind of high, if this guy is aiming for the mature look, then good work.

Hi B,

IMO, the photos show he got great yield, especially for 2000 grafts.
I agree with your point about “cherry picking” and number of hairs per graft as well.

At the same time, shooting and posting video is the best way to minimize the debate about pictures.
Plus, you can cover every angle and comb through the hair wet & dry for all to see.

Next best thing to visiting Belgium.
Although, it’s a beautiful country.
Well worth the trip, with or without getting more hair.
:wink:

These pictures are more realistic than the 7 months you posted, you can still see a little bit of thinning at the temples, not bad and probably what you should expect with 2000 grafts.