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#11

In Dr. Wood’s study,

  • The body hair were transplanted in between scalp hair and a myth was created that body hair takes on scalp hair characteristics which as we all know NOW that body hair retains its own characteristics.

In comparison, Dr. A’s case report (forum member- TopShiny, read topshiny’s story) was published in Indian Journal Of Dermatology, where only body hair were used on the scalp and they grew.

Now you make your decision as to who was the actual inventor of BHT and who created MYTHS.

We have done numerous cases including the world’s first study published in Indian Journal Of Dermatology


and Indian Journal Of Plastic Surgery.

In fact, beard hair to scalp transplant has also been invented and documented on hairsite’s archived forums and the poster goes by the name of FUEoptions and BHT results- Dr. A’s Clinic.

Hairsite itself has proved by giving Overall Top Ranked #1 Hair Transplant clinic in the World Award for 6 years in a row and you can see where the nearest doctors are. (In cricket language, we have given a follow-on to the nearest next doctor).

I hope this answers your question!


#12

Dear readers,
Here is another case.
See the results for yourself and the lack of results from untrained doctors… depleted donor, wrong angles, patchy areas of extraction
Pictures speak

Regards,
Dr. A


#13

If you want to claim you invented something because you published a paper, then here is Dr. Woods’s entry about his use of body hair published in 2004 in the British Journal of Plastic Surgery, three years before you were published. Dr. Woods invented body hair transplantation as we know it today, the act of transplanting hair from the body to the scalp. He was performing body hair transplant procedures in the 1990’s, far earlier than your clinic ever picked up an FUE punch. This is an indisputable fact.

One does not have to be the inventor of something to be good at it so in the future, perhaps you can avoid making up stories and simply show your results and educate your patients.


#14

Welcome Jotronic,
You know Dr Arvind Poswal does not respond to posts of paid so called patient “mentors”.
Correct? You ‘mentor’/push/shove prospective patients to certain select doctors. Are those doctors getting uncomfortable and are the real reason behind your current post.

What you have put above is only an abstract.

Read and please show the complete article so everyone can see the fraud.

  1. Was the patient a repair patient - YES
  2. Did his scalp recipient already have transplanted scalp donor hair - YES

Got my point?!
Now go fetch, I mean politely :slight_smile: , the complete article of dear Dr Woods and compare it with Dr Arvind’s article and pictures.
I hope you know the difference between abstract and complete case report.
In fact, Dr Arvind Poswal’s STUDY (not case report) on body hair to scalp transplant was also published in The Indian Journal of Plastic Surgery way back in 2013.
Where are those studies that should have followed?


#15

This is what your website shows


#16

No, I don’t get your point. You’re making false statements, I corrected you with facts, there is nothing else to discuss. You should also reconsider your comment about Dr. Wood’s published work being fraudulent. It is incredibly rude and factually inaccurate.

Your posts show two things.

  1. You don’t know what an abstract is. In order to show the full published paper, I have to purchase it, which isn’t worth it for me because the abstract represents the summary of the paper that was published. For most reasonable and sane people, this is more than enough. The patient being a repair patient shouldn’t factor into the presentation and it certainly does not invalidate the fact that body hair was used to successfully help a patient.

  2. Your screenshot of my website discredits your point because it shows that the only person that would really benefit from this debate, Dr. Woods, is not on my website.

This website, hairsite.com, acknowledges that Dr. Woods is the inventor of BHT. The same website that you so proudly display your award from for “most cases” posted. Is Hairsite, and the rest of the hair transplant community wrong?

It is best if you continue to show your work, help patients, educate readers and stop making claims that attempt to rewrite history. No need to get personal with your “fetch” comments. I wasn’t asking Dr. Poswal to respond. If I want to talk to him, as I have many times in the past, I can.


#17

Joe,
I will address and expose your lies one line at a time.
You think abstract is everything, then there must be some posters here who understand the difference between abstract and complete article.
The abstract does not show pictures.

We have exposed the lie that “donor hair take on scalp hair characteristics.”

Dear :slight_smile: respected emporer…whatever Dr. Wood’s complete article is worth USD35/-
You can not afford this because you yourself will be exposed. Do you want us to buy it for your reading pleasure or will you now do so.


#18

Really, Joe the mentor. The least respect you should have shown is to ring up and talk to him.
But you of course work for his competitors and when things got too hot they are making you the fall guy. Do you have his phone number?


#19

The least respect you should have shown is to ring up and talk to him.

I thought you said Dr. Poswal does not respond to “mentors” but now you’re suggesting I should have called him? :slight_smile: I like Dr. Poswal and Bharti is a lovely woman, but If I felt that this was so important that I should speak with Dr. Poswal, I would, but you are making these claims so that is why I’m addressing you.

The point that you seem to miss is that you’re claiming that Dr. Poswal invented BHT. My position is that this is not true. Instead of discussing it like an adult, you’ve chosen to call me a liar (about what, I have no idea) and you’ve suggested I cannot afford to purchase a scientific paper online. Aside from being incorrect, not to mention petty, it is completely outside of the scope of this debate and is merely an attempt to avoid the truth. Please stick to the facts. And I’ll remind you, the only one of us that works for a doctor is you. I work for myself.

The contents of the paper by Dr. Woods is irrelevant. He has documented a case of body hair transplanted to the scalp. That is a fact. It was before any paper by Dr. Poswal on the same subject. This is a fact. Dr. Woods has documented cases of body hair transplantation going back to the late 90’s. This is a fact. Spencer Kobren has personally seen the patient Timetested in, if I recall, 2001. This is fact. This very website in which we are discussing this issue recognizes Dr. Woods as the inventor of BHT. This too, is fact, and proven by the screenshot I provided. Is Hairsite.com lying? I don’t think so. If you do, then there may be a bigger problem at play here.

You can insult me, you can change the subject, and you can kick and scream and threaten to hold your breath till you turn blue, but the facts remain. Dr. Ray Woods is the father of modern FUE and is the inventor of body hair transplantation as we know it today. Everything else you present that does not address this is simply an attempt to avoid the truth of this discussion. You’re wrong, admit it, and stop making a fool of yourself.


#20

The point you seem to miss is that Woods committed a fraud to attract patients much like Bazan and Gho with their hair multiplication by neither teaching other doctors (unlike Dr Arvind who trained you know which doctor from LA.) and by not putting the body hair in an isolated patch.
That is why even though it is so obvious that it is a fraud you have chosen this thread to preach
Hello, I am the old poster V.
Kindly spend USD 35/ and get the entire article instead of dillydallying around with sentiments and arrogance.

(Hope you will remember that the world’s first facial hair to scalp transplant was documented on hairsite since feb 2006 and that we are inventors of it or one day you will come up saying no even that was done by someone else.


#21

By accepting that you work as paid mentor to other doctors you proved me correct.
That is why our removing the blinds from eyes of readers is required.
So how much do you get paid per patient from the doctor list on your mentor blog? How much for this distraction and removing our posts.

There are good doctors. I openly admit that if you want to get ht done elsewhere you can go to woods, cole, umar, h&w, Heitman, Mwamba, Bisanga. None of them have you on their paylist.


#22

When people feel they must resort to insults and unrelated accusations it means that there is nothing of substance to support their position, and your response to my points is a classic example of polemic debate. Marx would be proud.

Because I am paid by several doctors that I support, none of which make the same claim of inventing body hair transplantation as Dr. Poswal does, this makes me a liar? Because I am defending a doctor that I say did in fact invent body hair transplantation (and I have zero financial ties to), this makes me a liar? Your logic is unusual. What is it exactly that I’m lying about? About Dr. Woods or something else? You’ve not made this clear, so if you’re going to call me a liar, please explain what I’m lying about and how it makes me wrong about historical fact.

The point you seem to miss is that Woods committed a fraud to attract patients much like Bazan and Gho with their hair multiplication by neither teaching other doctors (unlike Dr Arvind who trained you know which doctor from LA.) and by not putting the body hair in an isolated patch.

How does training doctors validate a claim? This makes no sense. It appears that your position is that because you placed body hair into a bald patch, that this is the only way to validate the existence of a procedure. If this is your point, then you are wrong. Is your claim of fraud because you believe that Dr. Woods did not actually transplant any body hair to the patient’s scalp or is it because you believe that none of the grafts grew? Or do you instead believe that the entire procedure was fantasy and no patient exists to begin with? I believe the real difference is that Dr. Woods wrote about his experience after the fact, while helping a patient that had no further scalp donor to repair prior work. You, however, had a patient that was no different than a lab rat in, admittedly, more formal experimental conditions. This doesn’t invalidate the experiences of Dr. Woods, nor should they.

Regarding an LA doctor that Dr. Poswal trained, I’m not aware of any… I am aware of one further South in Redondo Beach, but I don’t see what this has to do with anything.

You’re mistaken about Dr. Woods and training. He did offer training at one point. It is poorly documented, but it is a fact nonetheless.

By accepting that you work as paid mentor to other doctors you proved me correct.
That is why our removing the blinds from eyes of readers is required.

What does this prove you to be correct about? What “blinds” are you referring? Are you under the impression that you’ve revealed a big secret that no one else knew? That’s like saying that Hairsite.com has proven you correct because there is a list of doctors that pay to participate here. Remember, Hairsite.com recognizes Dr. Woods as the inventor of BHT as well. Does the Hairsite.com list of doctors make their recognition invalid? Does this make Hairsite.com a website of lies? This is only in accordance with your logic about me, so the question is fair.

So how much do you get paid per patient from the doctor list on your mentor blog? How much for this distraction and removing our posts.

A. What does this have to do with our discussion? I do not get paid per patient. I never have, not when I worked for H&W, not when I worked for Rahal, and not now while working for myself. I do not push patients to any specific doctor nor do I encourage patients to have surgery. Surgery is always the last resort.

B. How did I remove your posts? What posts? I don’t even know what this means, but you’re implying I have back end administrative privileges that allow me to delete posts at will? Are you accusing me of having undisclosed involvement with Hairsite.com? Are you truly this paranoid?

There are good doctors. I openly admit that if you want to get ht done elsewhere you can go to woods, cole, umar, h&w, Heitman, Mwamba, Bisanga. None of them have you on their paylist.

You just called Dr. Woods a fraud, but now he’s a “good doctor”? Please make up your mind. I’m also certain that if you were to ask any of the doctors you just listed, they would all tell you that Dr. Woods was the first. Dr. Mwamba and Dr. Bisanga confirmed this at a conference in Vancouver in 2016 where Dr. Bisanga presented Dr. Woods with a lifetime achievement award for creating FUE and BHT. I also attended and was witness to this presentation. Dr. Cole also gave credit in this post…

Hope you will remember that the world’s first facial hair to scalp transplant was documented on hairsite since feb 2006 and that we are inventors of it or one day you will come up saying no even that was done by someone else.

Unfortunately I cannot remember that. While Histig transplanted beard hair to the scalp in 2003, as documented by the ISHRS, it was not through the use of FUE, so technically your claim is incorrect. Using FUE punches, perhaps you are correct, but that is not the purpose of this discussion. However, the interesting part of your question revolves around your use of Hairsite.com for validation. You do not acknowledge the legitimacy of Hairsite.com giving Dr. Woods credit as the inventor of BHT and you point to your published paper as the proof that Dr. Poswal is the inventor of BHT. However, you wish to use Hairsite.com to validate your own legitimacy for the first beard to scalp transplant because it was documented here first, just like Dr. Wood’s’s case of BHT was documented here first. Either Hairsite.com’s acknowledgement is legitimate, or it is not. Which is it?

The storm of accusations you’ve made against me simply because I said you did not invent BHT is an exercise in behavioural observation for me. It’s fascinating.


#23

fascinating indeed, what 's even more fascinating is that I read this thread from the top down and still couldn’t figure out what triggered all this. It started with someone asking for repair work and ended with insults flying left and right ,as if two different threads were merged into one. :rofl::rofl:


#24

What a very very weird debate as if someone doesn’t know what the word inventor means.


#25

And what the word fraud means.
And how Jotronic nor woods are not showing the article that will clear all debate.
A simple question - Can a person who invented bht and also committed a fraud by claiming something that was not true (body hair takes on scalp hair characteristics) be called an inventor or a fraudster?

And the other fraud that Joe the mentor is making by saying he does not take any refferal fee from the doctors on his list. :slight_smile: maybe that’s why no one on this whole forum, doctors and patients alike can not afford to buy the complete atricle of Woods that costs USD 39/- only. WOW


#26

Dear :slight_smile: respected emporer…whatever Dr. Wood’s complete article is worth USD35/-
You can not afford this because you yourself will be exposed. Do you want us to buy it for your reading pleasure or will you now do so.

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The Wood's article and Joe the mentor's charity work - fraud or not?
#27

@Dr_A_s_Clinic you are a doctor for crying out loud, act like one!


#29

Past patient “Top Shiny” testimonial Video | Dr. A’s Clinic


#30

Dr Arvind do you know that publishing your work in a medical journal does NOT automatically make you an inventor?


#31

Dr A, Top Shiny is a great result and you obviously do good work, you should be proud of what you have accomplished, don’t let anything secondary get the best of you. Your posts were a bit out of character lately.